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Summary: The lawsuit alleges that he started a new company (while employed with Apple) with technology that he was working on (iPhone and iPad processors), and

Summary: The lawsuit alleges that he started a new company (while employed with Apple) with technology that he was working on (iPhone and iPad processors), and luring away other Apple engineers. Nuvia, the company of which he's the CEO, has attracted $53 million in venture funding.

aguyfromnb 7y ago
>Nuvia, the company of which he's the CEO, has attracted $53 million in venture funding. Do VCs do any due diligence anymore? Or do they simply not care, deal with it later? "Silicon Valley" is going to be the next generation's "Wall Street".
- nraynaud 7y ago
  how exactly do you ask Apple on what people were working on before leaving?
- geofft 7y ago
  It's possible that they did due diligence and determined that Nuvia would likely prevail in court, no?
  - Traster 7y ago
    That seems incredibly unlikely, since the cost of litigation for a small company against a company like Apple is huge. It's going to distract engineers, it's going to damage the company's reputation, it's going to slow progress as they try to meticulously explain where their IP came from and it's going to cost millions in legal fees most likely if it actually gets to court. And all that's before we even consider whether they're likely win - which they're not, because Apple has much more resources at their disposal.
- zopppo 7y ago
  The VC likely has information regarding this matter that we do not.
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ryandrake 7y ago
This is why you don’t work on that side project while still working at your main job. Every large company I’ve worked at has been very clear during orientation: they will assert ownership of anything you do while employed, on or off the clock, using your own equipment or theirs. It’s not worth the risk to moonlight bootstrapping your startup. Not saying it’s right but saying that it is. These companies have a lot of lawyers.
- WhompingWindows 7y ago
  How do they have the right to own what you make off the clock on your own equipment?? Do they own you outside of your contractually agreed-upon hours?
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  - kthartic 7y ago
    You're in a contract with them that specifies this as a clause. So yes, they kinda do (unfortunately).
    - echelon 7y ago
      And that's wholly unethical. Companies that do this are happy for employees to remain wage slaves and nothing more. They don't truly admire success unless it feeds the bottom line. Unless Apple can prove this person stole something (cf. Waymo), fuck them. I hope every engineer they have that is working on their own side hustle leaves and that anyone considering the company for employment looks elsewhere.
      - zxienin 7y ago
        Are these unethical contracts made (or at min. shielded/supported) by same folks who once had mini / side hustle of own and now gone big? Or is it a different populace altogether? (edit: might just turn out to be a rhetoric)

aguyfromnb 7y ago

>Nuvia, the company of which he's the CEO, has attracted $53 million in venture funding. Do VCs do any due diligence anymore? Or do they simply not care, deal with it later? "Silicon Valley" is going to be the next generation's "Wall Street".

nraynaud 7y ago
how exactly do you ask Apple on what people were working on before leaving?
geofft 7y ago
It's possible that they did due diligence and determined that Nuvia would likely prevail in court, no?
- Traster 7y ago
  That seems incredibly unlikely, since the cost of litigation for a small company against a company like Apple is huge. It's going to distract engineers, it's going to damage the company's reputation, it's going to slow progress as they try to meticulously explain where their IP came from and it's going to cost millions in legal fees most likely if it actually gets to court. And all that's before we even consider whether they're likely win - which they're not, because Apple has much more resources at their disposal.
zopppo 7y ago
The VC likely has information regarding this matter that we do not.
- deleted 7y ago
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ryandrake 7y ago

This is why you don’t work on that side project while still working at your main job. Every large company I’ve worked at has been very clear during orientation: they will assert ownership of anything you do while employed, on or off the clock, using your own equipment or theirs. It’s not worth the risk to moonlight bootstrapping your startup. Not saying it’s right but saying that it is. These companies have a lot of lawyers.

WhompingWindows 7y ago
How do they have the right to own what you make off the clock on your own equipment?? Do they own you outside of your contractually agreed-upon hours?
- deleted 7y ago
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- kthartic 7y ago
  You're in a contract with them that specifies this as a clause. So yes, they kinda do (unfortunately).
  - echelon 7y ago
    And that's wholly unethical. Companies that do this are happy for employees to remain wage slaves and nothing more. They don't truly admire success unless it feeds the bottom line. Unless Apple can prove this person stole something (cf. Waymo), fuck them. I hope every engineer they have that is working on their own side hustle leaves and that anyone considering the company for employment looks elsewhere.
    - zxienin 7y ago
      Are these unethical contracts made (or at min. shielded/supported) by same folks who once had mini / side hustle of own and now gone big? Or is it a different populace altogether? (edit: might just turn out to be a rhetoric)