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i dont get it there is seemingly a big coordinated push around this idea but i dont really understand it is this about "soft skill" tech jobs in particular or

i dont get it there is seemingly a big coordinated push around this idea but i dont really understand it is this about "soft skill" tech jobs in particular or programming jobs too? if it's for programmers then i'm completely confused as to why?... programming is a skilled field. my skills/skill level is unique to me as yours are to you. i dont want my earning potential to be bogged down by some collective bargaining agreement

Miner49er 7y ago
> earning potential to be bogged down by some collective bargaining agreement A union doesn't have to touch wages in tech, they aren't a problem. But it would be there if wages started to get bad. It could instead focus on things like work/life balance, privacy issues, etc.
- Pfhreak 7y ago
  In fact, some unions set minimums but don't discourage negotiating a higher wage. And could cover stuff like overtime pay for being on call.
  - elicash 7y ago
    Yep. See the players unions in any sport. Hard to argue those players aren't skilled.
    - shantly 7y ago
      Lots of parallels with SAG, too, IMO. You don't have to bog down the top earners very much to keep a whole lot of people down the ladder from getting shit on too badly, and providing a ton of support to people earning their way to the top who might not make it there without that help.
ncallaway 7y ago
Yea, that makes sense. For the same reason, I don’t think movie actors could ever unionize. They’re skills and talents are obviously very unique to them (I’d argue far more so than developers). Certainly the pay scales between actors of different talents seems to agree with that. Or, professional football players. Each is pretty unique in their talents. Again, their pay scales differ vastly based on those talents. They could never successfully unionize. Except both of those fields have strong unions, and collective bargaining, while still allowing individuals with different talents to get paid individually.
- Frondo 7y ago
  I did a double-take when I read the first sentence, then realized you were joking! For clarification (for other sloppy readers like me), actors are organized in the Screen Actors' Guild, and NFL players are represented by the NFL Players Association.
- johngoaway 7y ago
  unions take care of themselves and people with jobs they get salaries up by restricting/reducing the number of people in the workforce so, my question to you is: in a field that already struggles to attract minorities, which will be the lucky ones to miss out on a job so that you can be paid more? i mean i get the appeal. once you get yours and you're in, why burn down the staircase you used to get there. being on top is nice. staying on top is nicer! it'll be way more fun when a small elite minority get to choose from thousands of jobs and 10X their income. the rest should just wait patiently for their chance to "go pro", join the A league and finally make a living doing what they love!
zbyte64 7y ago
If you can't convince your own union to fight for higher wages then how will you convince your boss?

Miner49er 7y ago

> earning potential to be bogged down by some collective bargaining agreement A union doesn't have to touch wages in tech, they aren't a problem. But it would be there if wages started to get bad. It could instead focus on things like work/life balance, privacy issues, etc.

Pfhreak 7y ago
In fact, some unions set minimums but don't discourage negotiating a higher wage. And could cover stuff like overtime pay for being on call.
- elicash 7y ago
  Yep. See the players unions in any sport. Hard to argue those players aren't skilled.
  - shantly 7y ago
    Lots of parallels with SAG, too, IMO. You don't have to bog down the top earners very much to keep a whole lot of people down the ladder from getting shit on too badly, and providing a ton of support to people earning their way to the top who might not make it there without that help.

ncallaway 7y ago

Yea, that makes sense. For the same reason, I don’t think movie actors could ever unionize. They’re skills and talents are obviously very unique to them (I’d argue far more so than developers). Certainly the pay scales between actors of different talents seems to agree with that. Or, professional football players. Each is pretty unique in their talents. Again, their pay scales differ vastly based on those talents. They could never successfully unionize. Except both of those fields have strong unions, and collective bargaining, while still allowing individuals with different talents to get paid individually.

Frondo 7y ago
I did a double-take when I read the first sentence, then realized you were joking! For clarification (for other sloppy readers like me), actors are organized in the Screen Actors' Guild, and NFL players are represented by the NFL Players Association.
johngoaway 7y ago
unions take care of themselves and people with jobs they get salaries up by restricting/reducing the number of people in the workforce so, my question to you is: in a field that already struggles to attract minorities, which will be the lucky ones to miss out on a job so that you can be paid more? i mean i get the appeal. once you get yours and you're in, why burn down the staircase you used to get there. being on top is nice. staying on top is nicer! it'll be way more fun when a small elite minority get to choose from thousands of jobs and 10X their income. the rest should just wait patiently for their chance to "go pro", join the A league and finally make a living doing what they love!

zbyte64 7y ago

If you can't convince your own union to fight for higher wages then how will you convince your boss?