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Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in eco
by vxNsr 7y ago
Idk what economy cabins these people are sitting in but those seats look at least business-sized to me. No US airline will be sticking something that big in economy. And facial-recog? Airlines are moving away from putting anything in the seat-backs at all and now you wanna put expensive camera tech in there?
- xienze 7y agoThat's exactly what I was thinking. This seems like a rich person's idea of what "economy" seating is, having never sat in one of those seats for the past couple decades.
- sdferdfs 7y agoThey'll find out some way to sell/use the data and the cameras will pay for themselves. Besides, if airlines are ripping out TVs, relatively low capital cost, from backseats of very expensive aircraft I doubt its because of the cost of the TVs. Maybe the TVs need hefty wiring for the power. Maybe they break often with kids punching them. But the cameras might not have that many problems, and therefore be cheap (besides, with a a wide angle lens, one can deal with many passengers)
- alistairSH 7y agoWeight is the primary motivator for removing setback entertainment systems. Why have them, when most passengers have iPads or laptops. A WAP weighs less than several hundred "TV" screens and the supporting wiring.
- vxNsr 7y agoThe primary reason I heard was the copper, apparently the weight of the screen is minimal compared to the wiring it takes to set up each seat, I doubt a camera would be any different.
- dsfyu404ed 7y agoThe seats are big but not that big. They pulled the ol' "everything looks bigger with a small woman for scale" trick. Look at the picture of the guy sitting in the seat facing away from the camera. It looks like he's leaning right in order to fit in the chair and they moved the camera to the ~4:00 position in order to make that not show. They might not be "true economy" small but these seats certainly aren't large.
- organsnyder 7y agoThey show them in a 2-2 configuration, though. No airline uses that configuration in economy unless it's a small regional jet.
- brianbreslin 7y agoSome A350s like the NEOs run a 2-4-2 config. I think the A380s do too.
- masklinn 7y agoA380s are 2-4-2 on the upper deck economy, 3-4-3 on the lower deck. And it looks like the original floor plans for the 350-900 were 2-4-2 but all the floor plans I can find from airlines and booking sites are 3-3-3 (the odd premium economy looks to be 2-4-2 but not regular economy).
- Xixi 7y agoAir Caraibes goes 3-4-3 in its A350-900. That's very tight, as the A350 is really intended to be 3-3-3 in economy. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_Caraibes/Air_Caraibes_Airbus_A350-900.php https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air_Caraibes/Air_Caraibes_...
- thatfrenchguy 7y agoFrenchbee also run them 3-4-3: https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/French_bee_Airlines/French_bee_BF_Airbus_A350-900.php https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/French_bee_Airlines/French... Unlike Lufthansa which runs them 3-3-3: https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Lufthansa/Lufthansa_Airbus_A350-900.php https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Lufthansa/Lufthansa_Airbus... Interestingly enough that means they're 32'' pitch 16'' width, where most airlines run those 31'' 17''. So depending on your body size, one can be worse than the other...
- Xixi 7y agoA330s and A330NEOs are usually 2-4-2, though sometimes 3-3-3 in the cheapest LCCs. A350s are usually 3-3-3 in economy, with the cheapest LCCs going 3-4-3.
- pavel_lishin 7y agoThe seats themselves look fine, but the amount of legroom that the model has is laughable. The only person I fly with who can cross her legs on an airplane like that is my 3 year old daughter.
- johnward 7y agoThe seats seem wide to me.
- croon 7y agoThey're isolated in a display booth. so nothing in front of the seat. It wouldn't sell, but they should've really displayed them with a delimiter/wall/something in front, in usual economy spacing, if they were going for authenticity. I understand why they wouldn't/didn't.
- selectodude 7y agoThey're for long-haul premium economy. Those are already 2-4-2 on larger jets vs 3-4-3 or 2-5-2 in the steerage.
- teh_klev 7y agoNowhere in the article does it mention these are specifically for "premium" economy, these seats are, according to the article, supposedly meant for your run-of-the-mill economy cabin.
- vanniv 7y agoCNN is just wrong, though. These are being marketed as premium economy seats. https://thepointsguy.com/news/the-future-of-premium-economy/ https://thepointsguy.com/news/the-future-of-premium-economy/ https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/12/10/wings-out-interspace-promises-privacy-and-comfort-in-premium-economy/ https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2019/12/10/wings-out-interspac... CNN got this wrong, and the rest of the major press is citing CNN as the source. But if you look, you can see that these seats are clearly not economy seats -- they're too wide, and they have all the premium economy trappings (doubled armrests, drink tables, etc.)
- teh_klev 7y agoDon't blame me ;) Perhaps the user I replied to should have provided citations. I suspect you're not wrong, but neither of those two sources I'd recognise as "notable".
- selectodude 7y agoAs much as I enjoy being a part of these sorts of conversations, I don't sit down with the intention of writing a dissertation whenever I disseminate information. Anyway, those two blogs the parent posted are pretty well known and respected in the avgeek community.
- vanniv 7y agoThose are both pretty well-known and well-regarded sources in the community. Unsurprisingly, knowledge is lost when moving to the mass media