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Those look like Premium Economy seats based on their generous width, not the crushing 17"-and-change width of typical Economy seats.

singron 7y ago
All the pictures are of women in the seats. Men often have broader shoulders and larger upper arms. If I sit next to another man, we sometimes make contact on the upper arms for most the flight. The wings seem to take up a couple inches themselves, so it could become too cramped horizontally to be comfortable.
- grendelt 7y ago
  I laughed at her sitting cross-legged on the bulkhead row. Try that just one row back, sister.
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- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  A friends has been one of those models for airline print ads. She also is incredibly petite due to a digestive issue that keeps her from digesting calories and nutrients properly. It's a bit disturbing that she's so popular for that type of advertising.
- Nursie 7y ago
  Yup, she's tiny and those wings look like they take up a whole bunch of shoulder-space.
- bitexploder 7y ago
  As a person with very broad shoulders... I cringed when I saw these seats, heh. Usually I fold in a little bit for larger people, but on Southwest other large people get the idea that sitting next to me might not be a comfortable experience for either of us and avoid me. And if someone is being ride and I expand my shoulders they can literally be in 1/4 to 1/3 of my neighbors seat. Oh you leaned forward? Allow me to show you my true form, heh. Usually get seats with extra leg room and use that to occupy less space and not make my seat neighbor uncomfortable.
bobthepanda 7y ago
The rendering seems to be 2-2 seating, which is definitely more of a business class configuration.
- topkai22 7y ago
  There are a couple of wide body configurations that have 2x3x2 seating in economy, but I'm a little incredulous too. Unless they are pretending that's a regional jet :)
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  2-3-2 in Economy seems to be a very common inter-continental configuration.
  - ghaff 7y ago
    Maybe in a premium economy configuration. It's definitely not common/standard in regular economy (or even an economy plus a couple extra inches of legroom) configuration.
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      I see it all the time - for example https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Boeing_767-300_V3.php https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Air...
      - ghaff 7y ago
        That's a 767. I fly United about 75,000 miles a year and I'm not sure the last time I've ever been on a 767. It's been a long time. This is a fairly typical 777 seat map (without Premium Economy). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraft/777-200.html https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... I also end up flying a lot of 737s which are 6 across in economy.
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mattrp 7y ago
they look more like old school first class seats. the problem with sleeping on a plane has to do with circulation -- it's actually hard on the heart to pump blood from your feet with you're motionless for hours at a time on a plane. If they really wanted to solve this, they'd do one of two things: 1) they would shift the time of departure from 6p - midnight to 3 am. They'd let everyone sleep in a special part of the gate area which would close to passengers not on the flight. Passengers could also go on board the plane and sleep while it is at the gate if they preferred. About 30 minutes before departure everyone would be awakened and they would board. This would avoid having to arrive 2 hours ahead of time and the delayed departure would still get the passengers to their destination at a reasonable time. OR 2) they would get rid of the overhead section of the plane for redeye flights. They would stack horizontal chairs three high and everyone would be horizontal for the entire flight.
- chx 7y ago
  The bunk bed concept often surfaces but see https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/21713/4188 https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/21713/4188
  - mattrp 7y ago
    Yeah I know... I have impractical ideas about air travel. My other idea was to take the second level of a 747 and convert it to a gym. Instead of seats you’d have treadmills and at the far end would be showers. Anyone could “book” time in the gym for a fee. Imagine being able to go for a run on a 18 hour transpacific flight? Of course all this gets mooted by the starship... once we can get la to Singapore in 20 minutes who cares what the seat looks like?
    - CaptainZapp 7y ago
      I don't get why you're downvoted. I think it's a creative idea. But I don't think it will fly (pun intended). Real estate (as in space) on a plane is probably the most expensive in the world. While airlines reserve space for (for example) a bar in business class (and to the best of my knowledge only in the A380) a gym would use too much space. There's also the issue with turbulence to consider, which would make a gym (at least without significant adaptions to the machines) rather impractical.
bitexploder 7y ago
Seriously. Please no. I have extremely wide shoulders. I would literally not be able to sit in a seat like that without folding myself inward to an uncomfortable level.

singron 7y ago

All the pictures are of women in the seats. Men often have broader shoulders and larger upper arms. If I sit next to another man, we sometimes make contact on the upper arms for most the flight. The wings seem to take up a couple inches themselves, so it could become too cramped horizontally to be comfortable.

grendelt 7y ago
I laughed at her sitting cross-legged on the bulkhead row. Try that just one row back, sister.
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Mountain_Skies 7y ago
A friends has been one of those models for airline print ads. She also is incredibly petite due to a digestive issue that keeps her from digesting calories and nutrients properly. It's a bit disturbing that she's so popular for that type of advertising.
Nursie 7y ago
Yup, she's tiny and those wings look like they take up a whole bunch of shoulder-space.
bitexploder 7y ago
As a person with very broad shoulders... I cringed when I saw these seats, heh. Usually I fold in a little bit for larger people, but on Southwest other large people get the idea that sitting next to me might not be a comfortable experience for either of us and avoid me. And if someone is being ride and I expand my shoulders they can literally be in 1/4 to 1/3 of my neighbors seat. Oh you leaned forward? Allow me to show you my true form, heh. Usually get seats with extra leg room and use that to occupy less space and not make my seat neighbor uncomfortable.

bobthepanda 7y ago

The rendering seems to be 2-2 seating, which is definitely more of a business class configuration.

topkai22 7y ago
There are a couple of wide body configurations that have 2x3x2 seating in economy, but I'm a little incredulous too. Unless they are pretending that's a regional jet :)
chrisseaton 7y ago
2-3-2 in Economy seems to be a very common inter-continental configuration.
- ghaff 7y ago
  Maybe in a premium economy configuration. It's definitely not common/standard in regular economy (or even an economy plus a couple extra inches of legroom) configuration.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    I see it all the time - for example https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Boeing_767-300_V3.php https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Air...
    - ghaff 7y ago
      That's a 767. I fly United about 75,000 miles a year and I'm not sure the last time I've ever been on a 767. It's been a long time. This is a fairly typical 777 seat map (without Premium Economy). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraft/777-200.html https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... I also end up flying a lot of 737s which are 6 across in economy.
      - 7y ago

mattrp 7y ago

they look more like old school first class seats. the problem with sleeping on a plane has to do with circulation -- it's actually hard on the heart to pump blood from your feet with you're motionless for hours at a time on a plane. If they really wanted to solve this, they'd do one of two things: 1) they would shift the time of departure from 6p - midnight to 3 am. They'd let everyone sleep in a special part of the gate area which would close to passengers not on the flight. Passengers could also go on board the plane and sleep while it is at the gate if they preferred. About 30 minutes before departure everyone would be awakened and they would board. This would avoid having to arrive 2 hours ahead of time and the delayed departure would still get the passengers to their destination at a reasonable time. OR 2) they would get rid of the overhead section of the plane for redeye flights. They would stack horizontal chairs three high and everyone would be horizontal for the entire flight.

chx 7y ago
The bunk bed concept often surfaces but see https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/21713/4188 https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/21713/4188
- mattrp 7y ago
  Yeah I know... I have impractical ideas about air travel. My other idea was to take the second level of a 747 and convert it to a gym. Instead of seats you’d have treadmills and at the far end would be showers. Anyone could “book” time in the gym for a fee. Imagine being able to go for a run on a 18 hour transpacific flight? Of course all this gets mooted by the starship... once we can get la to Singapore in 20 minutes who cares what the seat looks like?
  - CaptainZapp 7y ago
    I don't get why you're downvoted. I think it's a creative idea. But I don't think it will fly (pun intended). Real estate (as in space) on a plane is probably the most expensive in the world. While airlines reserve space for (for example) a bar in business class (and to the best of my knowledge only in the A380) a gym would use too much space. There's also the issue with turbulence to consider, which would make a gym (at least without significant adaptions to the machines) rather impractical.

bitexploder 7y ago

Seriously. Please no. I have extremely wide shoulders. I would literally not be able to sit in a seat like that without folding myself inward to an uncomfortable level.