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These cities have the companies where people want to work at. They also pay handsomely. Seattle, for instance, is expensive, sure - but a grad a couple years af

These cities have the companies where people want to work at. They also pay handsomely. Seattle, for instance, is expensive, sure - but a grad a couple years after college can be making $200K easy in Seattle vs maybe just north of $100K in a place like OKC for a more senior role. I would recommend techies go work at one of these big tech companies, at least for several years and save up for your future. Then move to the Midwest if your goal is to live in a suburb in a several thousand square foot home.

t-writescode 7y ago
Senior Facebook engineers in the Seattle area make $180k, where are you getting your information?
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  Levels.fyi Senior FB engineers make more than double that at E5.
  - tracer4201 7y ago
    One call out - senior engineers at FB are a different breed and caliber altogether vs a “senior developer” at your typical insurance company or someone contracting AngularJS development in a senior role for an oil and gas company. People see the word senior and think it’s an apples to apples comparison. I’m not saying the FB engineers are “better”, but I am saying the level of ownership, design, code quality, etc is day and night different... an environment like FB, Amazon, Google etc will force you to become a great developer (rigorous code reviews, various levels or owning what you wrote, supporting your services, developing run books, etc etc. My 2 cents from my experience on both sides (working in non tech companies and big tech companies).
    - akhilcacharya 7y ago
      > I’m not saying the FB engineers are “better”, but I am saying the level of ownership, design, code quality, etc is day and night different... an environment like FB, Amazon, Google etc will force you to become a great developer (rigorous code reviews, various levels or owning what you wrote, supporting your services, developing run books, etc etc. That is actually exactly what you're saying... but I agree, and thanks for including Amazon in this. Usually people don't, I've noticed.
    - mk89 7y ago
      Why did you get downvoted?
- corporateslave5 7y ago
  180k? Fresh grads make that
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  - t-writescode 7y ago
    Glassdoor has the average software engineer salary in Seattle at 124k with 149k as the upper bound on their chart. I’m speaking about the Seattle area in general. Facebook is the highest salary I’ve seen where a former coworker moved on to a 180k salary. I have no idea where you guys are working and getting those salaries in the Seattle area, which is what I’m talking about.
    - throwawaytemp1 7y ago
      Glassdoor is not reliable, use levels.fyi as pointed out in another comment. 180K total comp would not happen for a senior engineer at FB.
    - corporateslave5 7y ago
      Glassdoor is 100% wrong... Plus that isn’t including stock and bonus Go to levels.fyi
      - t-writescode 7y ago
        Stock bonuses usually vest over several years, so I’m not convinced that that’s appropriate to call it a single year’s compensation. The 50k+ you get as a new hire at Microsoft (or got) took 4 years to vest, so it was only a salary increase of around 15k per year, not 50k in compensation.
        corporateslave5 7y ago
        Look you’re wrong. Senior engineer at Facebook makes 350-500k
- tracer4201 7y ago
  You’re probably looking at Glassdoor, which is 100% incorrect. A fresh grad with a bachelors working in Seattle as a dev will earn $110K base (and quite a bit higher) not counting equity. After a couple years, you should be at $200K. Even Amazon on the low end compared to Google and Facebook pays SDE 2s around $200. Senior devs will make between $250k-350k depending on years of experience, whether they’re getting screwed on compensation. I’m a senior dev myself.

t-writescode 7y ago

Senior Facebook engineers in the Seattle area make $180k, where are you getting your information?

akhilcacharya 7y ago
Levels.fyi Senior FB engineers make more than double that at E5.
- tracer4201 7y ago
  One call out - senior engineers at FB are a different breed and caliber altogether vs a “senior developer” at your typical insurance company or someone contracting AngularJS development in a senior role for an oil and gas company. People see the word senior and think it’s an apples to apples comparison. I’m not saying the FB engineers are “better”, but I am saying the level of ownership, design, code quality, etc is day and night different... an environment like FB, Amazon, Google etc will force you to become a great developer (rigorous code reviews, various levels or owning what you wrote, supporting your services, developing run books, etc etc. My 2 cents from my experience on both sides (working in non tech companies and big tech companies).
  - akhilcacharya 7y ago
    > I’m not saying the FB engineers are “better”, but I am saying the level of ownership, design, code quality, etc is day and night different... an environment like FB, Amazon, Google etc will force you to become a great developer (rigorous code reviews, various levels or owning what you wrote, supporting your services, developing run books, etc etc. That is actually exactly what you're saying... but I agree, and thanks for including Amazon in this. Usually people don't, I've noticed.
  - mk89 7y ago
    Why did you get downvoted?
corporateslave5 7y ago
180k? Fresh grads make that
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- t-writescode 7y ago
  Glassdoor has the average software engineer salary in Seattle at 124k with 149k as the upper bound on their chart. I’m speaking about the Seattle area in general. Facebook is the highest salary I’ve seen where a former coworker moved on to a 180k salary. I have no idea where you guys are working and getting those salaries in the Seattle area, which is what I’m talking about.
  - throwawaytemp1 7y ago
    Glassdoor is not reliable, use levels.fyi as pointed out in another comment. 180K total comp would not happen for a senior engineer at FB.
  - corporateslave5 7y ago
    Glassdoor is 100% wrong... Plus that isn’t including stock and bonus Go to levels.fyi
    - t-writescode 7y ago
      Stock bonuses usually vest over several years, so I’m not convinced that that’s appropriate to call it a single year’s compensation. The 50k+ you get as a new hire at Microsoft (or got) took 4 years to vest, so it was only a salary increase of around 15k per year, not 50k in compensation.
      - corporateslave5 7y ago
        Look you’re wrong. Senior engineer at Facebook makes 350-500k
tracer4201 7y ago
You’re probably looking at Glassdoor, which is 100% incorrect. A fresh grad with a bachelors working in Seattle as a dev will earn $110K base (and quite a bit higher) not counting equity. After a couple years, you should be at $200K. Even Amazon on the low end compared to Google and Facebook pays SDE 2s around $200. Senior devs will make between $250k-350k depending on years of experience, whether they’re getting screwed on compensation. I’m a senior dev myself.