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>But, in terms of pure economics, let's put it at an extreme. >Child-care is too expensive, a woman who would otherwise go on to make breakthroughs in medical

>But, in terms of pure economics, let's put it at an extreme. >Child-care is too expensive, a woman who would otherwise go on to make breakthroughs in medical science stays at home. This sounds like a fun game. Child-care is subsidized. A child who would otherwise have been raised by a loving parent is raised by minimum wage daycare workers who don't care about the child. The child consequently develops antisocial behavior disorders and shoots up a classroom full of children, one of which would otherwise have gone on to make breakthroughs in medical science.

com2kid 7y ago
> Child-care is subsidized. A child who would otherwise have been raised by a loving parent is raised by minimum wage daycare workers who don't care about the child. You are assuming massive incompetence on the part of child care workers with no prior evidence. At scale of course saving lives will result in the life of a future criminal being saved, but on the whole the # of good people outweighs the number of bad people, thus why society continues to, however slowly, lurch forwards. In comparison to unknown potential future murders, there are known numbers for how many woman leave the workforce after having kids, 30% of women with bachelors degrees, and 19% with a Masters or PhD. [1] 19% of women with a post graduate degree is huge. How many millions of dollars of investment in education is that? If someone wants to leave work then of course they should be allowed, but if they don't and feel they are forced to? That sucks, and it is a net loss for society. [1]https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/09/the-number-of-women-opting-out-of-the-workforce-hasnt-changed-over-the-past-30-years.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/09/the-number-of-women...
- HBKXNCUO 7y ago
  >You are assuming massive incompetence on the part of child care workers with no prior evidence. The fact that they earn minimum wage is evidence of their collective incompetence. The fact that they would not be emotionally destroyed by never seeing the child again when either they leave their job or the child moves on is evidence of their indifference. >19% of women with a post graduate degree is huge. How many millions of dollars of investment in education is that? If someone wants to leave work then of course they should be allowed, but if they don't and feel they are forced to? That sucks, and it is a net loss for society. Should we not first ask why they thought it was a good idea to get an advanced degree?
  - vkou 7y ago
    > The fact that they earn minimum wage is evidence of their collective incompetence. So, because society undervalues their work, they are incompetent losers, with anti-social behavior disorders? Please, pray tell, how much do you think the people who grow the food that you need to live get paid? Do you think as poorly of them?
    - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
      >So, because society undervalues value their work, they are incompetent losers? Because society pays less for that sort of work, the sort of people that end up doing that work will tend to be less competent than the people that do more highly paid work. I'm not sure how you've concluded that society undervalues their work, though. That seems to me to be a matter of opinion.
    - aianus 7y ago
      The real people who grow my food are the engineers at Monsanto and John Deere and chemical fertilizer companies and they make plenty of money. The farmer ultimately adds very little value compared to the above, sorry to say.
n0rbwah 7y ago
> The child consequently develops antisocial behavior disorders and shoots up a classroom full of children School-shootings are such a big problem in Quebec and Scandinavian countries where childcare is subsidized. They must be caused by the evils of subsidized childcare.
- HBKXNCUO 7y ago
  Substitute whatever antisocial behavior you want, it's beside the point.
  - n0rbwah 7y ago
    And do you have any reason to think that countries with subsidized childcare have more antisocial behavior than those without to support your claim?
    - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
      That wouldn't support my claim very much at all, really, because there are too many confounding variables and too few countries to support any kind of causitive claim. I don't know if countries with subsidized childcare have more antisocial behavior, and I don't think it would shed any light on the situation. The subsidization is only relevant insofar as it increases utilization of childcare. The only thing that can shed light on the question of whether childcare is harmful to children is scientific research with large sample sizes that carefully control for confounding variables.

com2kid 7y ago

> Child-care is subsidized. A child who would otherwise have been raised by a loving parent is raised by minimum wage daycare workers who don't care about the child. You are assuming massive incompetence on the part of child care workers with no prior evidence. At scale of course saving lives will result in the life of a future criminal being saved, but on the whole the # of good people outweighs the number of bad people, thus why society continues to, however slowly, lurch forwards. In comparison to unknown potential future murders, there are known numbers for how many woman leave the workforce after having kids, 30% of women with bachelors degrees, and 19% with a Masters or PhD. [1] 19% of women with a post graduate degree is huge. How many millions of dollars of investment in education is that? If someone wants to leave work then of course they should be allowed, but if they don't and feel they are forced to? That sucks, and it is a net loss for society. [1]https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/09/the-number-of-women-opting-out-of-the-workforce-hasnt-changed-over-the-past-30-years.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/09/the-number-of-women...

HBKXNCUO 7y ago
>You are assuming massive incompetence on the part of child care workers with no prior evidence. The fact that they earn minimum wage is evidence of their collective incompetence. The fact that they would not be emotionally destroyed by never seeing the child again when either they leave their job or the child moves on is evidence of their indifference. >19% of women with a post graduate degree is huge. How many millions of dollars of investment in education is that? If someone wants to leave work then of course they should be allowed, but if they don't and feel they are forced to? That sucks, and it is a net loss for society. Should we not first ask why they thought it was a good idea to get an advanced degree?
- vkou 7y ago
  > The fact that they earn minimum wage is evidence of their collective incompetence. So, because society undervalues their work, they are incompetent losers, with anti-social behavior disorders? Please, pray tell, how much do you think the people who grow the food that you need to live get paid? Do you think as poorly of them?
  - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
    >So, because society undervalues value their work, they are incompetent losers? Because society pays less for that sort of work, the sort of people that end up doing that work will tend to be less competent than the people that do more highly paid work. I'm not sure how you've concluded that society undervalues their work, though. That seems to me to be a matter of opinion.
  - aianus 7y ago
    The real people who grow my food are the engineers at Monsanto and John Deere and chemical fertilizer companies and they make plenty of money. The farmer ultimately adds very little value compared to the above, sorry to say.

n0rbwah 7y ago

> The child consequently develops antisocial behavior disorders and shoots up a classroom full of children School-shootings are such a big problem in Quebec and Scandinavian countries where childcare is subsidized. They must be caused by the evils of subsidized childcare.

HBKXNCUO 7y ago
Substitute whatever antisocial behavior you want, it's beside the point.
- n0rbwah 7y ago
  And do you have any reason to think that countries with subsidized childcare have more antisocial behavior than those without to support your claim?
  - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
    That wouldn't support my claim very much at all, really, because there are too many confounding variables and too few countries to support any kind of causitive claim. I don't know if countries with subsidized childcare have more antisocial behavior, and I don't think it would shed any light on the situation. The subsidization is only relevant insofar as it increases utilization of childcare. The only thing that can shed light on the question of whether childcare is harmful to children is scientific research with large sample sizes that carefully control for confounding variables.