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> It doesn't have to be this way. No it doesn't. Rates for Stockholm, Sweden (PDF): https://forskola.stockholm/globalassets/forskola-och-skola/forskola/dokumen

> It doesn't have to be this way. No it doesn't. Rates for Stockholm, Sweden (PDF): https://forskola.stockholm/globalassets/forskola-och-skola/forskola/dokument/income-form-childcare-english.pdf https://forskola.stockholm/globalassets/forskola-och-skola/f... In short: FULL-TIME RATES Full-time rates apply to children in the ages of 1-3, who are in childcare for more than 30 hours a week. Child 1: 3% of household income up to maximum a fee of 1425 kr/month (roughly 149 USD) Child 2: 2% of household income up to maximum a fee of 950 kr/month (roughly 99 USD) Child 3: 1% of household income up to maximum a fee of 475 kr/month (roughly 50 USD) PART-TIME RATES Child 1: 2% of household income up to maximum a fee of 950 kr/month Child 2: 1% of household income up to maximum a fee of 475 kr/month Child 3: 1% of household income up to maximum a fee of 475 kr/month Every family receives child allowance[1]. Child allowance for one child is 1250 kr/month for one child. Two children: 2650 kr/month. Three chidren: 4480 kr/month. [1] https://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers/foralder/nar_barnet_ar_fott/barnbidrag/!ut/p/z1/ https://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers/foralder/nar_bar...

briandear 7y ago
Sweden has a top marginal tax rate of 70% that kicks in at around $98,000. That $149 per month is deceptive when you are paying very high tax rates.
- empath75 7y ago
  The people benefiting from it aren’t paying those taxes. But obviously taxes pay for government programs.
- edoceo 7y ago
  You're right! Taxing the high earners is a good idea, subsidized child care is just one of the many benefits.
  - aceofspades19 7y ago
    Why is taxing high earners more a good idea? It just gives people an incentive to either not make that much money or leave the country to make more money.
    - ihumanable 7y ago
      "Taxes are high so I won't try to make more money" - No one ever.
      - aceofspades19 7y ago
        There are lots of people who don't try to make more money because of roadblocks put in by the government. Obviously the uber-rich like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates don't care that much about taxes but for someone in the low to middle income brackets it can be challenging to move up as you pay more in taxes and receive less help from the government. If you make enough money that you can live comfortably and you would have to move up a lot to counter the offset to make more money in the next tax bracket, I think the majority of people would not bother. Outside of HN, a lot of people are satisfied with making an okay salary and having steep tax bracket changes just amplifies that. Obviously, everyone would like to make more money if they could do so easily but if it is very difficult to do so, a lot of people will not be bothered. The people who do want to make a lot of money and become rich, well if they have to deal with crazy taxes, they are going to either find away around the tax laws, or simply leave the country which both options are not good for the country.
        vkou 7y ago
        > Obviously the uber-rich like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates don't care that much about taxes but for someone in the low to middle income brackets it can be challenging to move up as you pay more in taxes and receive less help from the government. The people in the middle income brackets don't want to move up, in the sense that they don't want to work 20% harder, to get a 3% increase in their paycheck. (Which is how most employers 'reward' hard work.) That's because effort and remuneration aren't linked in a 1:1 fashion, not because the marginal tax bracket for the next dollar they earn is three percent higher than the previous one.
- abcpassword 7y ago
  I have no idea why you’re being downvoted. That tax rate is incredible and would destroy the earning power of most of hacker news.
- etripe 7y ago
  > Sweden has a top marginal tax rate of 70% that kicks in at around $98,000. According to wikipedia (0), the top rate is 60% and kicks in at $70,800. What's your source? > That $149 per month is deceptive when you are paying very high tax rates. According to the OECD (1), the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is $31,287 a year, which comes down to $2607 per month, of which $149 is 5.7%. According to the same OECD, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita in the US is $45,284 a year. According to the OP's article, the cost of childcare is $16,000, or roughly 35.3%. Would you argue that's deceptively high when you are paying little taxes? I wouldn't. If having children is to be considered a basic human right, why not equally consider universal the ability to raise them regardless of income bracket? 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden 1: http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/ http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/
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briandear 7y ago

Sweden has a top marginal tax rate of 70% that kicks in at around $98,000. That $149 per month is deceptive when you are paying very high tax rates.

empath75 7y ago
The people benefiting from it aren’t paying those taxes. But obviously taxes pay for government programs.
edoceo 7y ago
You're right! Taxing the high earners is a good idea, subsidized child care is just one of the many benefits.
- aceofspades19 7y ago
  Why is taxing high earners more a good idea? It just gives people an incentive to either not make that much money or leave the country to make more money.
  - ihumanable 7y ago
    "Taxes are high so I won't try to make more money" - No one ever.
    - aceofspades19 7y ago
      There are lots of people who don't try to make more money because of roadblocks put in by the government. Obviously the uber-rich like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates don't care that much about taxes but for someone in the low to middle income brackets it can be challenging to move up as you pay more in taxes and receive less help from the government. If you make enough money that you can live comfortably and you would have to move up a lot to counter the offset to make more money in the next tax bracket, I think the majority of people would not bother. Outside of HN, a lot of people are satisfied with making an okay salary and having steep tax bracket changes just amplifies that. Obviously, everyone would like to make more money if they could do so easily but if it is very difficult to do so, a lot of people will not be bothered. The people who do want to make a lot of money and become rich, well if they have to deal with crazy taxes, they are going to either find away around the tax laws, or simply leave the country which both options are not good for the country.
      - vkou 7y ago
        > Obviously the uber-rich like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates don't care that much about taxes but for someone in the low to middle income brackets it can be challenging to move up as you pay more in taxes and receive less help from the government. The people in the middle income brackets don't want to move up, in the sense that they don't want to work 20% harder, to get a 3% increase in their paycheck. (Which is how most employers 'reward' hard work.) That's because effort and remuneration aren't linked in a 1:1 fashion, not because the marginal tax bracket for the next dollar they earn is three percent higher than the previous one.
abcpassword 7y ago
I have no idea why you’re being downvoted. That tax rate is incredible and would destroy the earning power of most of hacker news.
etripe 7y ago
> Sweden has a top marginal tax rate of 70% that kicks in at around $98,000. According to wikipedia (0), the top rate is 60% and kicks in at $70,800. What's your source? > That $149 per month is deceptive when you are paying very high tax rates. According to the OECD (1), the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is $31,287 a year, which comes down to $2607 per month, of which $149 is 5.7%. According to the same OECD, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita in the US is $45,284 a year. According to the OP's article, the cost of childcare is $16,000, or roughly 35.3%. Would you argue that's deceptively high when you are paying little taxes? I wouldn't. If having children is to be considered a basic human right, why not equally consider universal the ability to raise them regardless of income bracket? 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden 1: http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/ http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/sweden/

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