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>Because, as a statement of fact, it is very probably false. Anti-ADHD medication will make up (and then some) for crappy diet, no exercise and bad sleep (this

>Because, as a statement of fact, it is very probably false. Anti-ADHD medication will make up (and then some) for crappy diet, no exercise and bad sleep (this one probably only to a certain extent). This is provably false. Amphetamines reduce the appetite; they in no way "make up" for crappy diet. Amphetamines increase blood pressure and heart rate; while this keeps one skinny when combined with the above point, it does not strengthen the cardiovascular system. It doesn't "make up" for no exercise. Finally the comorbidity associated to bad/no sleep is exacerbated by amphetamine usage. I am impressed at how every point you made is false.

balfirevic 7y ago
Only impressive thing here is that you managed to miss the context of the thread. We are talking about using "nootropics to help increase mental acuity and focus". In that sense, amphetamines will make up for lessened mental performance that you may have due to bad diet or lack of exercise.
- oarabbus_ 7y ago
  Sounds like an opinion claim. There are plenty of studies of the effects of amphetamines on sleep-deprived individuals (it does help with alertness and mental acuity, provided the deprivation is not severe, and even then only in the short term). Can you link articles proving your claims about amphetamines clearing up reduced mental performance specifically due to bad diet or lack of exercise?
  - balfirevic 7y ago
    If you are actually interested, there is lot of information here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo... (with sources) The summary is that Adderall works well to increase focus for basically everyone.
    - oarabbus_ 7y ago
      This is about its cardiovascular safety primarily, not the claims you made.
adwi 7y ago
Naive question: how would increase activity not strengthen the cardiovascular system? If those muscles are still doing more work than baseline, how does it matter what is causing them to do so?

balfirevic 7y ago

Only impressive thing here is that you managed to miss the context of the thread. We are talking about using "nootropics to help increase mental acuity and focus". In that sense, amphetamines will make up for lessened mental performance that you may have due to bad diet or lack of exercise.

oarabbus_ 7y ago
Sounds like an opinion claim. There are plenty of studies of the effects of amphetamines on sleep-deprived individuals (it does help with alertness and mental acuity, provided the deprivation is not severe, and even then only in the short term). Can you link articles proving your claims about amphetamines clearing up reduced mental performance specifically due to bad diet or lack of exercise?
- balfirevic 7y ago
  If you are actually interested, there is lot of information here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo... (with sources) The summary is that Adderall works well to increase focus for basically everyone.
  - oarabbus_ 7y ago
    This is about its cardiovascular safety primarily, not the claims you made.

adwi 7y ago

Naive question: how would increase activity not strengthen the cardiovascular system? If those muscles are still doing more work than baseline, how does it matter what is causing them to do so?