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I don’t think it’s age so much as it’s “well, that’s just what everyone does now”. If you want to work in this industry you have to follow the herd; for better

I don’t think it’s age so much as it’s “well, that’s just what everyone does now”. If you want to work in this industry you have to follow the herd; for better or worse. I certainly don’t agree with it, but people have bills to pay.

jlgaddis 7y ago
Your comment reminds me of the "Lemmings walking off a cliff" animated GIF that was popular once animated GIFs became a thing on the web.
fargle 7y ago
What if "well, that's just what everyone does" is just wrong? I trimmed the word "now" from the quote because lazy sloppy short-term thinking is nothing new. Good configuration management takes a lot of work and pays great returns, only not in the very short-term. It's not surprising that inexperienced devs will fall into this trap. And just why do you "Have to follow the herd"? Pretty sure just about everything new and creative (good or bad) was a result of not following the herd. I recommend going where you need to go. If a herd starts following you, that's great. At least they'll be slipping and sliding on the shit you leave behind, not the other way round.
kbr2000 7y ago
Managers and C-levels surely have appetite for this. In the end it just degrades mostly to trial-and-error, which I'm sure is no problem because the people have to do the real work get sick of it and get replaced (sometimes voluntarily, sometimes with force), or play the game nice out of fear losing their job (thus feeding the beast). It's not very surprising since 'products' nowadays are more like 'services' instead, and offer some kind of encapsulation: people are not interested much in how something ticks behind the scenes, and so it can drive down the behind-the-scene quality. They also are conditioned to accept lousy excuses (including none) for outages and breakdowns, because they got sold 'magic', and boy that is magical.. You'll might have to work in obscurity to keep up operations quality, which is in turn a driver for your own demise. Game over. I'd like to suggest to you the following reading material: - Bullshit Jobs (David Graeber, 2018) - The Dilbert Principle (Scott Adams, 2000) - Future Shock (Alvin Toffler, 1970)

jlgaddis 7y ago

Your comment reminds me of the "Lemmings walking off a cliff" animated GIF that was popular once animated GIFs became a thing on the web.

fargle 7y ago

What if "well, that's just what everyone does" is just wrong? I trimmed the word "now" from the quote because lazy sloppy short-term thinking is nothing new. Good configuration management takes a lot of work and pays great returns, only not in the very short-term. It's not surprising that inexperienced devs will fall into this trap. And just why do you "Have to follow the herd"? Pretty sure just about everything new and creative (good or bad) was a result of not following the herd. I recommend going where you need to go. If a herd starts following you, that's great. At least they'll be slipping and sliding on the shit you leave behind, not the other way round.

kbr2000 7y ago

Managers and C-levels surely have appetite for this. In the end it just degrades mostly to trial-and-error, which I'm sure is no problem because the people have to do the real work get sick of it and get replaced (sometimes voluntarily, sometimes with force), or play the game nice out of fear losing their job (thus feeding the beast). It's not very surprising since 'products' nowadays are more like 'services' instead, and offer some kind of encapsulation: people are not interested much in how something ticks behind the scenes, and so it can drive down the behind-the-scene quality. They also are conditioned to accept lousy excuses (including none) for outages and breakdowns, because they got sold 'magic', and boy that is magical.. You'll might have to work in obscurity to keep up operations quality, which is in turn a driver for your own demise. Game over. I'd like to suggest to you the following reading material: - Bullshit Jobs (David Graeber, 2018) - The Dilbert Principle (Scott Adams, 2000) - Future Shock (Alvin Toffler, 1970)