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> The jury's still out on Musk. I wouldn't be surprised if incumbent automakers beat Tesla to dominate the electric car market or the space launch sector dries

by mcny 7y ago

> The jury's still out on Musk. I wouldn't be surprised if incumbent automakers beat Tesla to dominate the electric car market or the space launch sector dries up, and I'd be shocked if there's a viable company in either the Boring Company or hyper-loop. I would consider it Tesla’s and Musk’s ultimate success if/when the whole auto industry moved away from internal combustion engine. iirc this is how musk defines his own success as well.

headmelted 7y ago
I also think the notion that Tesla is going to go away over night when Volkswagen “gets there” is nonsense. Homework: 1. Use an infotainment system from an “old guard” car maker. 2. Use Android Auto, CarPlay or the Tesla dash. 3. Repeat 1. So much of the experience of your car is terrible because it’s an afterthought to these companies. They hire people to tick a box at the least expense possible. I drive a Nissan Leaf. The build quality is pretty good. The battery life isn’t spectacular but it wasn’t particularly expensive either, and it’s all I need... But it’s no Tesla.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  Carmakers should just give up on the infotainment system and simply provide a docking bay for your phone. Last week I rented a car. I gave up on the inscrutable infotainment system and just used my phone, with it flopping around the car because there was nowhere to fix it in place. Edit: the phones are not just better, they are constantly being improved, and the car system stays static. The phones also cost next to nothing compared with replacing a broken system in your car.
  - brazzy 7y ago
    That's basically what Apple Car Play and Android Auto do.
    - headmelted 7y ago
      Ish. Android Auto now works on a handset over bluetooth. Apple being Apple, you have to buy an entire new head unit or a new car with built-in Carplay to use it.
      - kalleboo 7y ago
        > you have to buy an entire new head unit or a new car with built-in Carplay to use it It's everywhere now though, even the used econobox my family bought this year has it. Ironically, the major brand to NOT support it is Tesla, making it actually a mark AGAINST them.
        headmelted 7y ago
        I’m in a bit of an uncanny valley. My Leaf’s functionality is so tied up in the dash unit that it can’t realistically be replaced without losing access to critical functions. Ironically, the very lowest end model is the only one that can have it’s head unit replaced - and I’d have bought one except it mandates leasing the battery which wasn’t for me. Not everyone can replace their head unit and most used econoboxes do not have head units anywhere close to recent enough to support either platform.
  - tigershark 7y ago
    Tesla car system gets continuous improvements, for sure much more than any android phone that after 2 years in the best case doesn’t get any more updates.
  - orbifold 7y ago
    The infotainment System is also otherwise known as a radio and navigation system. VW does those well enough and it also integrates with car play and android auto.
- pram 7y ago
  My Volkswagen has CarPlay though?
rumanator 7y ago
> I would consider it Tesla’s and Musk’s ultimate success if/when the whole auto industry moved away from internal combustion engine. iirc this is how musk defines his own success as well. That sounds like a pretext to call victory when faced with an unavoidable defeat, similar to the fox and the grapes fable. The auto industry was already moving to electric cars prior to Musk. For example, the Toyota Prius was released to the general public in 1997, having won Car of the Year in 1998. Tesla was founded in 2003. Arguably Musk's contribution was dispelling the notion that electric vehicles were just glorified golf carts made for flimsy Europeans, and in the process marketed a Veblen good that just so happened to be an electric car.
- Ndymium 7y ago
  > For example, the Toyota Prius was released to the general public in 1997, having won Car of the Year in 1998. Tesla was founded in 2003. But the Prius is not an electric car. It's a petrol-electric hybrid where the electric part is merely a clever way to optimise the petrol engine usage. You can't drive more than 1 or 2 km with the electric motors. Indeed even now Toyota don't have any fully electric models and they are very much behind the other manufacturers in other than hybrid technology. So I can't say that Toyota is a good example for this.

by mcny 7y ago

headmelted 7y ago

I also think the notion that Tesla is going to go away over night when Volkswagen “gets there” is nonsense. Homework: 1. Use an infotainment system from an “old guard” car maker. 2. Use Android Auto, CarPlay or the Tesla dash. 3. Repeat 1. So much of the experience of your car is terrible because it’s an afterthought to these companies. They hire people to tick a box at the least expense possible. I drive a Nissan Leaf. The build quality is pretty good. The battery life isn’t spectacular but it wasn’t particularly expensive either, and it’s all I need... But it’s no Tesla.

WalterBright 7y ago
Carmakers should just give up on the infotainment system and simply provide a docking bay for your phone. Last week I rented a car. I gave up on the inscrutable infotainment system and just used my phone, with it flopping around the car because there was nowhere to fix it in place. Edit: the phones are not just better, they are constantly being improved, and the car system stays static. The phones also cost next to nothing compared with replacing a broken system in your car.
- brazzy 7y ago
  That's basically what Apple Car Play and Android Auto do.
  - headmelted 7y ago
    Ish. Android Auto now works on a handset over bluetooth. Apple being Apple, you have to buy an entire new head unit or a new car with built-in Carplay to use it.
    - kalleboo 7y ago
      > you have to buy an entire new head unit or a new car with built-in Carplay to use it It's everywhere now though, even the used econobox my family bought this year has it. Ironically, the major brand to NOT support it is Tesla, making it actually a mark AGAINST them.
      - headmelted 7y ago
        I’m in a bit of an uncanny valley. My Leaf’s functionality is so tied up in the dash unit that it can’t realistically be replaced without losing access to critical functions. Ironically, the very lowest end model is the only one that can have it’s head unit replaced - and I’d have bought one except it mandates leasing the battery which wasn’t for me. Not everyone can replace their head unit and most used econoboxes do not have head units anywhere close to recent enough to support either platform.
- tigershark 7y ago
  Tesla car system gets continuous improvements, for sure much more than any android phone that after 2 years in the best case doesn’t get any more updates.
- orbifold 7y ago
  The infotainment System is also otherwise known as a radio and navigation system. VW does those well enough and it also integrates with car play and android auto.
pram 7y ago
My Volkswagen has CarPlay though?

rumanator 7y ago

> I would consider it Tesla’s and Musk’s ultimate success if/when the whole auto industry moved away from internal combustion engine. iirc this is how musk defines his own success as well. That sounds like a pretext to call victory when faced with an unavoidable defeat, similar to the fox and the grapes fable. The auto industry was already moving to electric cars prior to Musk. For example, the Toyota Prius was released to the general public in 1997, having won Car of the Year in 1998. Tesla was founded in 2003. Arguably Musk's contribution was dispelling the notion that electric vehicles were just glorified golf carts made for flimsy Europeans, and in the process marketed a Veblen good that just so happened to be an electric car.

Ndymium 7y ago
> For example, the Toyota Prius was released to the general public in 1997, having won Car of the Year in 1998. Tesla was founded in 2003. But the Prius is not an electric car. It's a petrol-electric hybrid where the electric part is merely a clever way to optimise the petrol engine usage. You can't drive more than 1 or 2 km with the electric motors. Indeed even now Toyota don't have any fully electric models and they are very much behind the other manufacturers in other than hybrid technology. So I can't say that Toyota is a good example for this.