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Maybe go to Tuvalu and try some of their imported water, or eat some of their famous canned cargo "meat". Tuvalu and other islands really are becoming uninhabit

Maybe go to Tuvalu and try some of their imported water, or eat some of their famous canned cargo "meat". Tuvalu and other islands really are becoming uninhabitable for humans so let's be nice ya?

lazyjones 7y ago
I've lived for 2 years on a small island with imported table water and canned meat as a child. What's the big deal? In case you missed the news, Tuvalu isn't sinking or becoming uninhabitable because somewhere else someone is doing something evil.
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  You're right no one is doing anything evil. I'm glad you realize that, because a lot of folks get hung up on morality and forget to process the actual concrete situation before their eyes. Tuvalu isn't the International Space Station. If a population of 10,000 people have to import food and water, then their state has failed and it's time to wake up and start doing some accounting and maybe ask for help to stabilize the situation. Note when I say stabilize, I don't mean the medical definition where a patient can simultaneously be "stable" and also teetering on the edge of death, I mean true stability, like a bar of gold sitting at the bottom of a hill. No one is doing anything evil. Despite that there are still a lot of problems with how basic needs like food and water are met in Tuvalu and solving those problems is going to be expensive and politically/socially very complicated. My cousin in Aotearoa burned his brother's house down because he didn't want to share gravel from his quarry. You think these men would share food with eachother if everything went off? Or water? There are tons of little blood feuds like that out here that would go off if it suddenly turned out there were no more boats coming. Until the neocolonial period, there were massive land thefts in the pacific. A lot of the best land for fishing and farming was taken and converted to resorts and suburbs by people who have incorrectly taken the resources of wealthy nations for granted. In order to achieve stability, a lot of people have to move, buildings need to be cleared, ecosystems need to be restored. It all costs money, and it's only going to become more expensive as the situation develops over the next ten years. I'm glad you see all states as blameless in this situation, because the work required to investigate and assign blame is a huge waste of time and resources. The facts are that there is a massive food and water crisis brewing in the pacific ocean; there are local actions which can help to stabilize communities in anticipation of said crisis; there are also measures that foreign stateses can take to reduce their emissions and such efforts could help avert or mitigate what will most certainly be a very wet and deadly refugee crisis.

Maybe go to Tuvalu and try some of their imported water, or eat some of their famous canned cargo "meat". Tuvalu and other islands really are becoming uninhabitable for humans so let's be nice ya?

lazyjones 7y ago

I've lived for 2 years on a small island with imported table water and canned meat as a child. What's the big deal? In case you missed the news, Tuvalu isn't sinking or becoming uninhabitable because somewhere else someone is doing something evil.

jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
You're right no one is doing anything evil. I'm glad you realize that, because a lot of folks get hung up on morality and forget to process the actual concrete situation before their eyes. Tuvalu isn't the International Space Station. If a population of 10,000 people have to import food and water, then their state has failed and it's time to wake up and start doing some accounting and maybe ask for help to stabilize the situation. Note when I say stabilize, I don't mean the medical definition where a patient can simultaneously be "stable" and also teetering on the edge of death, I mean true stability, like a bar of gold sitting at the bottom of a hill. No one is doing anything evil. Despite that there are still a lot of problems with how basic needs like food and water are met in Tuvalu and solving those problems is going to be expensive and politically/socially very complicated. My cousin in Aotearoa burned his brother's house down because he didn't want to share gravel from his quarry. You think these men would share food with eachother if everything went off? Or water? There are tons of little blood feuds like that out here that would go off if it suddenly turned out there were no more boats coming. Until the neocolonial period, there were massive land thefts in the pacific. A lot of the best land for fishing and farming was taken and converted to resorts and suburbs by people who have incorrectly taken the resources of wealthy nations for granted. In order to achieve stability, a lot of people have to move, buildings need to be cleared, ecosystems need to be restored. It all costs money, and it's only going to become more expensive as the situation develops over the next ten years. I'm glad you see all states as blameless in this situation, because the work required to investigate and assign blame is a huge waste of time and resources. The facts are that there is a massive food and water crisis brewing in the pacific ocean; there are local actions which can help to stabilize communities in anticipation of said crisis; there are also measures that foreign stateses can take to reduce their emissions and such efforts could help avert or mitigate what will most certainly be a very wet and deadly refugee crisis.