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They're also not monetizing the content or doing anything with it. They're just going to throw it away. Why would they go out of their way to block archival att

They're also not monetizing the content or doing anything with it. They're just going to throw it away. Why would they go out of their way to block archival attempts? This is the corporate equivalent of throwing your old computer into an empty ditch on the side of the road, and getting mad when someone responsible comes by to recycle it for you.

nikanj 7y ago
Corporate DNA in the US seems to be build around two basic principles: 1) Use whatever means to get yourself forward 2) Do whatever you can to hold everyone else back The Groups thing is a wonderful example of #2 in action. It’s not about preventing access to Groups in particular, just the general principle of preventing and hindering all and always
mbreese 7y ago
There are probably really costs here. From their initial message in the post, it sounded like it would cost them “something” to allow all of the data to be archived. I could imagine that the data for these groups was expected to fall into a 80:20 distribution between cold data and hot data (Or 90:9:1 between archived data, read only, and read/write). If you start pulling data from the archive or cold tier, then you could disrupt that storage pattern. Moving the data around could end up causing some kind of monetary cost. But it seems strange to me that they would actively try to thwart these efforts and remove the possibility for a great deal of good will.
Diagon 7y ago
That is one hell of an analogy. I'm going to try to use it. (There is one guy I came across trying trying to monetize what he could download of some archives. He used the Windows software PGDownload to do it. It's a lot of alt-med stuff: https://groups.rifeforum.com https://groups.rifeforum.com)
blondin 7y ago
> …equivalent of throwing your old computer into an empty ditch on the side of the road, and getting mad when someone responsible comes by to recycle it for you. a better equivalent is realizing that that computer might have important stuff and taking steps to wipe out hard drives. or retrieving those bags full of documents and letters so you can secure trashing them. i mean, most of us do it. not saying it is right but it is the sensible thing to do. for the legal aspect and also for security. curious, isn't archive.org affected by GDPR at all?

nikanj 7y ago

Corporate DNA in the US seems to be build around two basic principles: 1) Use whatever means to get yourself forward 2) Do whatever you can to hold everyone else back The Groups thing is a wonderful example of #2 in action. It’s not about preventing access to Groups in particular, just the general principle of preventing and hindering all and always

mbreese 7y ago

There are probably really costs here. From their initial message in the post, it sounded like it would cost them “something” to allow all of the data to be archived. I could imagine that the data for these groups was expected to fall into a 80:20 distribution between cold data and hot data (Or 90:9:1 between archived data, read only, and read/write). If you start pulling data from the archive or cold tier, then you could disrupt that storage pattern. Moving the data around could end up causing some kind of monetary cost. But it seems strange to me that they would actively try to thwart these efforts and remove the possibility for a great deal of good will.

Diagon 7y ago

That is one hell of an analogy. I'm going to try to use it. (There is one guy I came across trying trying to monetize what he could download of some archives. He used the Windows software PGDownload to do it. It's a lot of alt-med stuff: https://groups.rifeforum.com https://groups.rifeforum.com)

blondin 7y ago

> …equivalent of throwing your old computer into an empty ditch on the side of the road, and getting mad when someone responsible comes by to recycle it for you. a better equivalent is realizing that that computer might have important stuff and taking steps to wipe out hard drives. or retrieving those bags full of documents and letters so you can secure trashing them. i mean, most of us do it. not saying it is right but it is the sensible thing to do. for the legal aspect and also for security. curious, isn't archive.org affected by GDPR at all?