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The client is here, right? https://github.com/keybase/client https://github.com/keybase/client I'd prefer to see "discuss on a GitHub issue" or "open a pull req

The client is here, right? https://github.com/keybase/client https://github.com/keybase/client I'd prefer to see "discuss on a GitHub issue" or "open a pull request" to "send +1s to these email addresses". (The author does discuss how annoying it is to receive unsolicited messages, after all). I'd think "contacting is as frictionless as email or phonecalls" sounds reasonable for messaging. (EDIT:although email avoids 'unsolicited messages' with spam control, phones with "phone number is secret"; so perhaps not). Another suggestion: Maybe UI would help this; on FB messenger I can't see messages from strangers unless I go into the "messages from strangers" tab. That seems like it'd solve annoyances from unsolicited messages.

ViViDboarder 7y ago
I think the author got it right. Yes, those other platforms allow anyone to message you, but they don’t consider those features anymore. The way we are trying to mitigate is spam filters everywhere. Spam is a much harder problem. It’s far simpler to have a double opt in.
geofft 7y ago
Frictionless phone calls worked for decades until automation made telemarketing possible, at which point we had laws that stemmed the tide for a bit, and then further automation made anonymous telemarketing / scamming possible, and we're on the edge of a cultural shift to not picking up the phone when you don't recognize the caller. The latest version of iOS already has a checkbox to block all calls from people not in your address book (24/7, this is a separate feature from "Do not disturb"). Frictionless email had this problem since the very early days. A huge amount of algorithmic effort goes into identifying spam, and there are still large numbers of false negatives and false positives. These were architectural mistakes, and it's not a credit to a new messaging platform that it doesn't see this as a problem worth solving from day 1.
- jlgaddis 7y ago
  > The latest version of iOS already has a checkbox to block all calls from people not in your address book (24/7, this is a separate feature from "Do not disturb"). Thank you! I have been wanting exactly this for a long time now -- my phone is pretty much always on DnD for this reason. I guess I'll finally upgrade to 13 now.

ViViDboarder 7y ago

I think the author got it right. Yes, those other platforms allow anyone to message you, but they don’t consider those features anymore. The way we are trying to mitigate is spam filters everywhere. Spam is a much harder problem. It’s far simpler to have a double opt in.

geofft 7y ago

Frictionless phone calls worked for decades until automation made telemarketing possible, at which point we had laws that stemmed the tide for a bit, and then further automation made anonymous telemarketing / scamming possible, and we're on the edge of a cultural shift to not picking up the phone when you don't recognize the caller. The latest version of iOS already has a checkbox to block all calls from people not in your address book (24/7, this is a separate feature from "Do not disturb"). Frictionless email had this problem since the very early days. A huge amount of algorithmic effort goes into identifying spam, and there are still large numbers of false negatives and false positives. These were architectural mistakes, and it's not a credit to a new messaging platform that it doesn't see this as a problem worth solving from day 1.

jlgaddis 7y ago
> The latest version of iOS already has a checkbox to block all calls from people not in your address book (24/7, this is a separate feature from "Do not disturb"). Thank you! I have been wanting exactly this for a long time now -- my phone is pretty much always on DnD for this reason. I guess I'll finally upgrade to 13 now.