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Women have been complaining about this for ages. See for example: https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/status/1171615043387109376 https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/

Women have been complaining about this for ages. See for example: https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/status/1171615043387109376 https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/status/1171615043387109376 https://twitter.com/geekygirlsarah/status/1166360306806939649 https://twitter.com/geekygirlsarah/status/116636030680693964... https://twitter.com/aredridel/status/1171824207069614081 https://twitter.com/aredridel/status/1171824207069614081

geofft 7y ago
I appreciated this later thread from the third person you linked: https://twitter.com/aredridel/status/1201348525499523072 https://twitter.com/aredridel/status/1201348525499523072 Quoting in part: > The onslaught of sexual harassment on platforms like early Twitter (and later twitter for people of notability), @KeybaseIO, every naive social network is an attack on the right to exist in public. It is the inverse of a privacy problem. > But the conceiving of this as a privacy problem brings the wrong solutions. It means we are offered tools to remove ourselves from public view, to restrict our public personas, to retreat from public life. It means women are again confined to private sphere, denied civic life.
- asjw 7y ago
  Women also close the doors of their homes for safety and privacy. It doesn't deny their civic life, it simply blocks uninvited guests from entering their homes. We don't need police, when a door is more than enough
  - geofft 7y ago
    Yes, but I hope you'd agree that if a woman says, say, "I'd enjoy going to the local tabletop game store more if people didn't always hit on me there," the response of "Why don't you stay at home and close your door so you can have safety and privacy" is a little bit missing the point.
- buzzkillington 7y ago
  > But the conceiving of this as a privacy problem brings the wrong solutions. It means we are offered tools to remove ourselves from public view, to restrict our public personas, to retreat from public life. It means women are again confined to private sphere, denied civic life. Yes, welcome to real life. Where I can't say I'm an atheist back home because I will get beheaded. Or say what I think of capital accumulation in SF because I will never work again. And if you take the cowards way out of "We should only protect people for what they are and not what they do", being a woman in this day and age is a choice on par with being blond or a socialist.
  - geofft 7y ago
    > Where I can't say I'm an atheist back home because I will get beheaded. Or say what I think of capital accumulation in SF because I will never work again. These are bad things, right? Like you want to live in a society where this doesn't happen, I assume? Or are you saying this is all right and proper?
    - buzzkillington 7y ago
      I want to live in a society where I can live my life as I see fit in private with as little performance art in public as possible. The idea that your public persona should be anything like your private one is so wrong its laughable. Right now SF is giving most of the middle east a run for it's money for the number of things no one believes but pretends to so they aren't killed - or worse become unemployable and homeless.
beaner 7y ago
Not denying this happens on the internet but it seems like these people weren't aware that the crypto currency incentive on keybase was creating this kind of spam for everyone and not specifically them.
- jakelazaroff 7y ago
  It's a different kind of spam. These women weren't receiving scammy cryptocurrency messages, they were (are) receiving "hey beautiful" catcall-esque messages. It obviously is partially a function of popularity, but this happens on basically every platform that doesn't provide effective countermeasures. (Ask your female friends whether they've ever gotten unwanted messages on Instagram or Facebook!) The broader point is that if Keybase had listened to its female users and implemented anti-harassment tools in the first place, it might not have ever gotten to the point where cryptocurrency spam was endemic on their service.
  - geofft 7y ago
    Yeah, it's interesting. The specific thing that seems to have happened is that Keybase attracted a certain user base to their platform by offering a cryptocurrency drop, and also, that user base seems to have the idea that every messaging app that has women on it is a dating app. The catcalls weren't there in this number before the cryptocurrency drop - but also the messages are "ay bby" and not "plz send your stellars".

geofft 7y ago

I appreciated this later thread from the third person you linked: https://twitter.com/aredridel/status/1201348525499523072 https://twitter.com/aredridel/status/1201348525499523072 Quoting in part: > The onslaught of sexual harassment on platforms like early Twitter (and later twitter for people of notability), @KeybaseIO, every naive social network is an attack on the right to exist in public. It is the inverse of a privacy problem. > But the conceiving of this as a privacy problem brings the wrong solutions. It means we are offered tools to remove ourselves from public view, to restrict our public personas, to retreat from public life. It means women are again confined to private sphere, denied civic life.

asjw 7y ago
Women also close the doors of their homes for safety and privacy. It doesn't deny their civic life, it simply blocks uninvited guests from entering their homes. We don't need police, when a door is more than enough
- geofft 7y ago
  Yes, but I hope you'd agree that if a woman says, say, "I'd enjoy going to the local tabletop game store more if people didn't always hit on me there," the response of "Why don't you stay at home and close your door so you can have safety and privacy" is a little bit missing the point.
buzzkillington 7y ago
> But the conceiving of this as a privacy problem brings the wrong solutions. It means we are offered tools to remove ourselves from public view, to restrict our public personas, to retreat from public life. It means women are again confined to private sphere, denied civic life. Yes, welcome to real life. Where I can't say I'm an atheist back home because I will get beheaded. Or say what I think of capital accumulation in SF because I will never work again. And if you take the cowards way out of "We should only protect people for what they are and not what they do", being a woman in this day and age is a choice on par with being blond or a socialist.
- geofft 7y ago
  > Where I can't say I'm an atheist back home because I will get beheaded. Or say what I think of capital accumulation in SF because I will never work again. These are bad things, right? Like you want to live in a society where this doesn't happen, I assume? Or are you saying this is all right and proper?
  - buzzkillington 7y ago
    I want to live in a society where I can live my life as I see fit in private with as little performance art in public as possible. The idea that your public persona should be anything like your private one is so wrong its laughable. Right now SF is giving most of the middle east a run for it's money for the number of things no one believes but pretends to so they aren't killed - or worse become unemployable and homeless.

beaner 7y ago

Not denying this happens on the internet but it seems like these people weren't aware that the crypto currency incentive on keybase was creating this kind of spam for everyone and not specifically them.

jakelazaroff 7y ago
It's a different kind of spam. These women weren't receiving scammy cryptocurrency messages, they were (are) receiving "hey beautiful" catcall-esque messages. It obviously is partially a function of popularity, but this happens on basically every platform that doesn't provide effective countermeasures. (Ask your female friends whether they've ever gotten unwanted messages on Instagram or Facebook!) The broader point is that if Keybase had listened to its female users and implemented anti-harassment tools in the first place, it might not have ever gotten to the point where cryptocurrency spam was endemic on their service.
- geofft 7y ago
  Yeah, it's interesting. The specific thing that seems to have happened is that Keybase attracted a certain user base to their platform by offering a cryptocurrency drop, and also, that user base seems to have the idea that every messaging app that has women on it is a dating app. The catcalls weren't there in this number before the cryptocurrency drop - but also the messages are "ay bby" and not "plz send your stellars".