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Would you let a pedophile who served his time babysit your children?

colejohnson66 7y ago
False equivalence. No, but I’d let someone convicted of a robbery 20 years ago and nothing since serve me at a fast food restaurant since they’ve served their debt to society.
- RaceWon 7y ago
  > False equivalence. No, but I’d let someone convicted of a robbery 20 years ago and nothing since serve me at a fast food This appears as a perfect false equivalence imo. Would you also let someone who was convicted of poisoning people serve you fast food? Here's some [0] stats about repeat offeders [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism
  - colejohnson66 7y ago
    No I wouldn’t, but some would. I should’ve mentioned that where they’re allowed to work should be dependent on what their crime was. A robber can’t work at a bank, etc.
    - RaceWon 7y ago
      > No I wouldn’t, but some would. I should’ve mentioned that where they’re allowed to work should be dependent on what their crime was. A robber can’t work at a bank, etc. However; a robber can serve as a jurist? I don't understand your logic; if it was you who were on trial, wouldn't you hope that the jury of your peers had a higher degree of ethics than a gal who robbed a bank? I know I would.
      - colejohnson66 7y ago
        The logic is: they have served their debt to society, let them be free. Don’t continually punish them even after they’re out. If you want to punish them more, keep them in prison longer.
  - kevingadd 7y ago
    Are you claiming most poisoners act randomly and would continue to do so after release? What's your basis for that? Poison is often used as a method for specific assassination/murder, and murder is sometimes committed in scenarios of domestic violence or taking out personal grudges. Why would people from those scenarios then go on to poison fast food customers?
kevingadd 7y ago
We already solve this problem with sex offender registries. There's no reason to call all felons pedophiles just to execute your agenda.
maxlybbert 7y ago
I wouldn’t let a pedophile babysit my children (and I actually do know people who served time for pedophile-related crimes). But the question is “would you let a pedophile do any job?” I don’t see why I should object to a pedophile working as an accountant, stock broker, software tester, or juror.
Aperocky 7y ago
He has the freedom to apply to any jobs and employers have the freedom to reject him. This is a complete strawman, the argument is that legal rights of this person is fully restored in the eye of the government, potential employers can always turn people down for almost any reason.
crazygringo 7y ago
No, whether they've ever served time or not is irrelevant in this case. It's a false equivalence, because they're not suitable for the role in the first place. A better question is, would I let a pedophile who served their time work at McDonald's? And the answer is, of course. They need a job just like everyone else.
- user5994461 7y ago
  I bet MacDonald's would disagree. Pretty sure they consider themselves targeted toward teenagers and kids. Last I went there, it was filled with teenagers, typical middle school and high school from the area. Further away from the city center, the bigger macdonalds have playing area and attractions for children, to cater to young families with kids.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    McDonalds probably wouldn't hire a pedophile due to its customer base, but it would (and does) hire other types of former felons, since the majority of McDonalds are owned and operated by franchisees who are generally permitted to control hiring as long as they don't violate labor laws.
izacus 7y ago
> Would you let a pedophile who served his time babysit your children? Is USA so full of paedophiles that all felons are paedophiles? Or why are you trying to establish this equivalence?
- GhettoMaestro 7y ago
  There is a massive uptick in online child pornography. For what it is worth, it appears to be hitting epidemic levels. I have no reason to think this is a US-only problem. Reference: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-abuse.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-...
TheSoftwareGuy 7y ago
That is not the question at hand though...

False equivalence. No, but I’d let someone convicted of a robbery 20 years ago and nothing since serve me at a fast food restaurant since they’ve served their debt to society.

RaceWon 7y ago
> False equivalence. No, but I’d let someone convicted of a robbery 20 years ago and nothing since serve me at a fast food This appears as a perfect false equivalence imo. Would you also let someone who was convicted of poisoning people serve you fast food? Here's some [0] stats about repeat offeders [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  No I wouldn’t, but some would. I should’ve mentioned that where they’re allowed to work should be dependent on what their crime was. A robber can’t work at a bank, etc.
  - RaceWon 7y ago
    > No I wouldn’t, but some would. I should’ve mentioned that where they’re allowed to work should be dependent on what their crime was. A robber can’t work at a bank, etc. However; a robber can serve as a jurist? I don't understand your logic; if it was you who were on trial, wouldn't you hope that the jury of your peers had a higher degree of ethics than a gal who robbed a bank? I know I would.
    - colejohnson66 7y ago
      The logic is: they have served their debt to society, let them be free. Don’t continually punish them even after they’re out. If you want to punish them more, keep them in prison longer.
- kevingadd 7y ago
  Are you claiming most poisoners act randomly and would continue to do so after release? What's your basis for that? Poison is often used as a method for specific assassination/murder, and murder is sometimes committed in scenarios of domestic violence or taking out personal grudges. Why would people from those scenarios then go on to poison fast food customers?

kevingadd 7y ago

We already solve this problem with sex offender registries. There's no reason to call all felons pedophiles just to execute your agenda.

maxlybbert 7y ago

I wouldn’t let a pedophile babysit my children (and I actually do know people who served time for pedophile-related crimes). But the question is “would you let a pedophile do any job?” I don’t see why I should object to a pedophile working as an accountant, stock broker, software tester, or juror.

Aperocky 7y ago

He has the freedom to apply to any jobs and employers have the freedom to reject him. This is a complete strawman, the argument is that legal rights of this person is fully restored in the eye of the government, potential employers can always turn people down for almost any reason.

crazygringo 7y ago

No, whether they've ever served time or not is irrelevant in this case. It's a false equivalence, because they're not suitable for the role in the first place. A better question is, would I let a pedophile who served their time work at McDonald's? And the answer is, of course. They need a job just like everyone else.

user5994461 7y ago
I bet MacDonald's would disagree. Pretty sure they consider themselves targeted toward teenagers and kids. Last I went there, it was filled with teenagers, typical middle school and high school from the area. Further away from the city center, the bigger macdonalds have playing area and attractions for children, to cater to young families with kids.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  McDonalds probably wouldn't hire a pedophile due to its customer base, but it would (and does) hire other types of former felons, since the majority of McDonalds are owned and operated by franchisees who are generally permitted to control hiring as long as they don't violate labor laws.

izacus 7y ago

> Would you let a pedophile who served his time babysit your children? Is USA so full of paedophiles that all felons are paedophiles? Or why are you trying to establish this equivalence?

GhettoMaestro 7y ago
There is a massive uptick in online child pornography. For what it is worth, it appears to be hitting epidemic levels. I have no reason to think this is a US-only problem. Reference: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-abuse.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-...

TheSoftwareGuy 7y ago

That is not the question at hand though...