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Again, you seem to think the book is about this claim that TF has invented some new kind of workout routine. Its not. At a novice level there is a minimum amo

by jonmc12 16y ago

Again, you seem to think the book is about this claim that TF has invented some new kind of workout routine. Its not. At a novice level there is a minimum amount of work that can be done to get the desired outcome. Further, an intermediate or professional athlete also has a minimum amount of work that can be done to get their desired outcome. In every goal, no matter what your experience or skill level, there is a minimum amount of work for the desired outcome. How do you quantify this minimum amount of work is? The 4 hour body prescribes a methodology of continual trial and measurement. That is what the book is about.. applying this principle to your goals for your own body. And, he has sections in the book for both beginners and more experienced athletes. Occams Protocol, as the book refers to it, is really a brilliant principle if you can just remove yourself from your expertise in this subject for one minute. Starting Strength looks great. I started lifting about 15 years ago - my first read was Arnold's 'Encyclopedia of Body Building'. Either of those books would take me a few weeks to really absorb. The Four hour body took me about 6 hours to read, it encouraged me to cut back my workouts from 6 hours per week to 3 hours per week - so far with solid results. That is significant, that is important to me - that is something that I would like to share with other people. btw, I would not take your bet, however, if that challenge was to happen, I would not bet against Tim Ferriss.

jacques_chester 16y ago
> Again, you seem to think the book is about this claim that TF has invented some new kind of workout routine. Its not. OK. Admittedly I am attacking my own impression of a book I don't own (and don't plan to). Technically I am beating up a strawman, which is always an uneven fight. > How do you quantify this minimum amount of work is? The 4 hour body prescribes a methodology of continual trial and measurement. That is what the book is about.. applying this principle to your goals for your own body. Thank you for the best point made yet. I think it's great to experiment on yourself. I keep a log for more or less this purpose. However, it is problematic to generalise from "this worked awesomely for me" to "this will work awesomely for everyone forever", because novice gains dry up fast. > Starting Strength looks great. I started lifting about 15 years ago - my first read was Arnold's 'Encyclopedia of Body Building'. Either of those books would take me a few weeks to really absorb Yeah, I had Arnold's book in high school. Spent hooooours in the gym doing every variation of shoulder exercise known to man. My only really fond memory of the book is that it insisted on squatting and by god I did lots of them. Squats have never let me down. > The Four hour body took me about 6 hours to read, it encouraged me to cut back my workouts from 6 hours per week to 3 hours per week - so far with solid results. I am very pleased it is working for you. I note in passing that Starting Strength aims for 3 workouts of 45 minutes duration -- less time than you are spending now. Edit: a good book to follow Starting Strength is Practical Programming for Strength Training, by Rippetoe et al.

by jonmc12 16y ago

jacques_chester 16y ago

> Again, you seem to think the book is about this claim that TF has invented some new kind of workout routine. Its not. OK. Admittedly I am attacking my own impression of a book I don't own (and don't plan to). Technically I am beating up a strawman, which is always an uneven fight. > How do you quantify this minimum amount of work is? The 4 hour body prescribes a methodology of continual trial and measurement. That is what the book is about.. applying this principle to your goals for your own body. Thank you for the best point made yet. I think it's great to experiment on yourself. I keep a log for more or less this purpose. However, it is problematic to generalise from "this worked awesomely for me" to "this will work awesomely for everyone forever", because novice gains dry up fast. > Starting Strength looks great. I started lifting about 15 years ago - my first read was Arnold's 'Encyclopedia of Body Building'. Either of those books would take me a few weeks to really absorb Yeah, I had Arnold's book in high school. Spent hooooours in the gym doing every variation of shoulder exercise known to man. My only really fond memory of the book is that it insisted on squatting and by god I did lots of them. Squats have never let me down. > The Four hour body took me about 6 hours to read, it encouraged me to cut back my workouts from 6 hours per week to 3 hours per week - so far with solid results. I am very pleased it is working for you. I note in passing that Starting Strength aims for 3 workouts of 45 minutes duration -- less time than you are spending now. Edit: a good book to follow Starting Strength is Practical Programming for Strength Training, by Rippetoe et al.