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What? Talking about hard or traumatizing experiences is NOT the same as working through trauma with a trained therapist. It’s great, and it can be helpful, but

by kaikai 7y ago

What? Talking about hard or traumatizing experiences is NOT the same as working through trauma with a trained therapist. It’s great, and it can be helpful, but just talking about something is the first step. Also, I don’t why y’all are acting like folks who use things like mdma and ketamine in a medical/therapeutic context haven’t also used them recreationally. It’s different, because the environment, intention, and often the dosage are all different. You taking drugs at a party is not the same, and using absolutist language to say otherwise when there’s actual medical research that contradicts you is an odd choice.

mistermann 7y ago
> Also, I don’t why y’all are acting like folks who use things like mdma and ketamine in a medical/therapeutic context haven’t also used them recreationally. I think questions like this are underappreciated. I propose that the potential underlying mechanisms of why people behave the way they do are described here, at least in part: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow I think it's useful to observe how people, particularly intelligent people, interact with these ideas, and the inherent uncertainty involved. Are people curious about how nature plays out, or are they tied in some way to nature being a particular way? Are they willing to discuss these ideas, and defend their beliefs, or is there something subconsciously repulsive about certain beliefs that renders them unable to discuss it rationally, but instead forces them to revert to defensive techniques like appeal to authority or popular tribal axioms. Is uncertainty acceptable?
scarejunba 7y ago
Do therapists actually contribute? I'm sceptical. For me, I got so much of the value from taking MDMA and just knowing my friends were around and actually loved me. Ended so much anxiety. Between Molly and Acid and these folks, I think I'm pretty much safe for the rest of my life.

by kaikai 7y ago

mistermann 7y ago

> Also, I don’t why y’all are acting like folks who use things like mdma and ketamine in a medical/therapeutic context haven’t also used them recreationally. I think questions like this are underappreciated. I propose that the potential underlying mechanisms of why people behave the way they do are described here, at least in part: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow I think it's useful to observe how people, particularly intelligent people, interact with these ideas, and the inherent uncertainty involved. Are people curious about how nature plays out, or are they tied in some way to nature being a particular way? Are they willing to discuss these ideas, and defend their beliefs, or is there something subconsciously repulsive about certain beliefs that renders them unable to discuss it rationally, but instead forces them to revert to defensive techniques like appeal to authority or popular tribal axioms. Is uncertainty acceptable?

scarejunba 7y ago

Do therapists actually contribute? I'm sceptical. For me, I got so much of the value from taking MDMA and just knowing my friends were around and actually loved me. Ended so much anxiety. Between Molly and Acid and these folks, I think I'm pretty much safe for the rest of my life.