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Why does it matter?

by Porthos9K 7y ago

Why does it matter?

ben509 7y ago
As a citizen, I have a civic obligation to hold the government accountable for the use of my tax dollars.
- Porthos9K 7y ago
  In that case, you have more pressing concerns than the public schools, such as the military-industrial-congressional complex, corporate welfare, and a tax code that privileges rent-seeking over labor.
  - ben509 7y ago
    Nonsense, besides the fact that I can look at more than one budget item at a time, education is one of the biggest[1], being between 20% and 40% of every state's budget. > ... and a tax code that privileges rent-seeking over labor. Education also has multiple lobbies that beside their own rent-seeking are indoctrinating young voters and more and more educators are engaging in partisan politics in the classroom. [1]: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-much-of-each-states-budget-goes-to-education https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-much-of-each-states-b...
    - Porthos9K 7y ago
      Nice propaganda. LOL
- icelancer 7y ago
  Standardized tests do this?
  - Porthos9K 7y ago
    According to one my neighbors, they just make it harder for her to do her job (as she understands it). In my case, I score in the 95th percentile or better on just about any standardized test you cared to put in front of me, but when I finally got free of K-12 schooling I only really had three useful skills: 1. How to take a punch. 2. How to dodge a punch. 3. How to throw a punch.
WalterBright 7y ago
How would you react to the pilot on your next flight never took any flying tests? Would you accept his assurances that "he knows how to fly"?
- Porthos9K 7y ago
  Does K-12 education include civil aviation training now? It didn't when I was doing time, but that was in the 80s and 90s when we still did "duck and cover" drills as a placebo for the fear of nuclear holocaust rather than "active shooter" drills. Furthermore, testing for pilots isn't just filling out a form; there's a practical test as well as a knowledge test.
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    Pilot training doesn't include teaching math. If you never learned math, you'll wash out of flight school. If you cannot calculate how much fuel you'll need, what your wind drift is, how to distribute the weight, etc., you aren't going to be a pilot. > Furthermore, testing for pilots isn't just filling out a form; there's a practical test as well as a knowledge test. You'll never get to the hands on flying part of the test unless you pass ground school tests first. Flying safely and competently is highly technical and nothing like jumping in a car and turning the key. Nobody is going to let you in a cockpit with an excuse like "I don't test well" or "I learn in an alternative fashion" or "I really do know how to fly, the tests are faulty" or the worst of all "I can't handle the stress of a test."

Why does it matter?

ben509 7y ago

As a citizen, I have a civic obligation to hold the government accountable for the use of my tax dollars.

Porthos9K 7y ago
In that case, you have more pressing concerns than the public schools, such as the military-industrial-congressional complex, corporate welfare, and a tax code that privileges rent-seeking over labor.
- ben509 7y ago
  Nonsense, besides the fact that I can look at more than one budget item at a time, education is one of the biggest[1], being between 20% and 40% of every state's budget. > ... and a tax code that privileges rent-seeking over labor. Education also has multiple lobbies that beside their own rent-seeking are indoctrinating young voters and more and more educators are engaging in partisan politics in the classroom. [1]: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-much-of-each-states-budget-goes-to-education https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-much-of-each-states-b...
  - Porthos9K 7y ago
    Nice propaganda. LOL
icelancer 7y ago
Standardized tests do this?
- Porthos9K 7y ago
  According to one my neighbors, they just make it harder for her to do her job (as she understands it). In my case, I score in the 95th percentile or better on just about any standardized test you cared to put in front of me, but when I finally got free of K-12 schooling I only really had three useful skills: 1. How to take a punch. 2. How to dodge a punch. 3. How to throw a punch.

WalterBright 7y ago

How would you react to the pilot on your next flight never took any flying tests? Would you accept his assurances that "he knows how to fly"?

Porthos9K 7y ago
Does K-12 education include civil aviation training now? It didn't when I was doing time, but that was in the 80s and 90s when we still did "duck and cover" drills as a placebo for the fear of nuclear holocaust rather than "active shooter" drills. Furthermore, testing for pilots isn't just filling out a form; there's a practical test as well as a knowledge test.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  Pilot training doesn't include teaching math. If you never learned math, you'll wash out of flight school. If you cannot calculate how much fuel you'll need, what your wind drift is, how to distribute the weight, etc., you aren't going to be a pilot. > Furthermore, testing for pilots isn't just filling out a form; there's a practical test as well as a knowledge test. You'll never get to the hands on flying part of the test unless you pass ground school tests first. Flying safely and competently is highly technical and nothing like jumping in a car and turning the key. Nobody is going to let you in a cockpit with an excuse like "I don't test well" or "I learn in an alternative fashion" or "I really do know how to fly, the tests are faulty" or the worst of all "I can't handle the stress of a test."