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I did a bunch of ketamine and mdma in the early 2000s. They’re miracle substances and they changed my life in positive ways that I can’t even begin to talk abou
by empath75 7y ago
I did a bunch of ketamine and mdma in the early 2000s. They’re miracle substances and they changed my life in positive ways that I can’t even begin to talk about, but they are not cures for depression. Eventually the effect wears off and all of the stuff that bothered you before will start bothering you again.
If you don’t figure out how to give your life meaning, the drugs aren’t going to do it for you. They’ll give you time and space to do it, but you really need to make the best of the opportunity while you have it.
This guy’s blog post sounds exactly like a hundred conversations I had with people I met at raves. We all knew that it was making our lives better, but most of us were broken people going into the scene and at best a lot of us were slightly less broken coming out of it.
Someone I’m sure is going to say that it’s a medicine and not a party drug now because a nurse is giving it and someone wrote a prescription, but it’s the same drug with the same effect. I’m not saying that to be judge-y. I think people should have a right to improve themselves or have fun anyway they want to without hurting any body. Just that if this thing cured depression, there would have been a whole lot of ravers that were permanently cured and I know from personal experience that it isn’t the case.
I’d really hate to see people try this thinking they’re going to be happy and be even worse off after the fog settles in again.
- kaens 7y agoYeah. I have a similar background to you with this stuff and the first major thing that popped into my head while reading this article was "not enough time has passed since you experienced this"
- kaikai 7y agoYour anecdata doesn’t match up with current ketamine research. The protocol for depression is really different than using it for a party drug. Same for mdma for things like ptsd- it’s paired with therapy that helps you work through things. You’re right that just taking drugs isn’t enough, but please don’t discount medical treatment that changes the lives of many people.
- empath75 7y agoRubbing ‘medical’ on something doesn’t magically change how it works. And it’s pretty much impossible to take mdma and not engage in talk therapy. I had conversations that went from favorite djs to the time they were raped in middle school with complete strangers. And then you go out and dance. I don’t think a hospital is going to improve the situation much. It’s just a loophole people have to go through to make it socially acceptable.
- trevordixon 7y agoCertain placebos only work when administered by a doctor in a clinic (heard it on some podcast once). Seems like ketamine could have different effects in different environments.
- empath75 7y agoKetamine is probably the one drug where the environment doesn’t make a lick of difference because once you drop into the hole, you are on another planet. The outside world may as well not exist.
- kaikai 7y agoOnly if you take very large doses. Maintenance doses for medical use are tiny; barely enough to feel any effect at all.
- kaikai 7y agoWhat? Talking about hard or traumatizing experiences is NOT the same as working through trauma with a trained therapist. It’s great, and it can be helpful, but just talking about something is the first step. Also, I don’t why y’all are acting like folks who use things like mdma and ketamine in a medical/therapeutic context haven’t also used them recreationally. It’s different, because the environment, intention, and often the dosage are all different. You taking drugs at a party is not the same, and using absolutist language to say otherwise when there’s actual medical research that contradicts you is an odd choice.