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In France, more than 60% of unemployed people over 58 stay unemployed until retirement. So pushing away the retirement date only worsen the situation. There are

by wazoox 7y ago

In France, more than 60% of unemployed people over 58 stay unemployed until retirement. So pushing away the retirement date only worsen the situation. There are simply no jobs for the elderly. Unemployment dropped dramatically thanks to the 35h work-week. They provably created at least 350000 jobs ( https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/les-35-heures-ont-cree-350-000-emplois-affirme-un-rapport-censure-de-l-igas_1813373.html https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/les-35-h... ).

PunchTornado 7y ago
it dropped dramatically to ... still 10% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35-hour_workweek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35-hour_workweek many think that the 35h week had no impact on employment figures
- einpoklum 7y ago
  Maybe the French don't under-count Employment like they do in many other countries; see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#Alternatives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#Alternatives
  - user5994461 7y ago
    Rest assured, they undercount employment like every other country.
- skitout 7y ago
  Note that 35h did not applied to everyone, relabeled some paid break time as unpaid work time... Most importantly it was "sold" by allowing companies more flexibility with the workers... gain in productivity, more pressure (and a bit of more overtime) explain why the impact on unemployment had not been massive. This is totally different than what happen with pension scheme. If people work more years, it means more people for the same "stock" of job at first... So more unemployment at least at short and medium term.
user5994461 7y ago
It's two fold, there is no work AND there is no point in working. If you get unemployed at 58, you get 2 years of unemployment benefits at almost full salary (was supposed to be reduced to 18 months earlier this year). If you have side income (rental properties bought long ago since you're 58) or some undeclared work on the side, you're golden. That's not to diminish the issue of there are no jobs, it's a real problem, but there isn't any hurry to find or accept a job either.
- skitout 7y ago
  France lack 4 millions jobs at least... hurry to find or accept a job don't change this !
  - user5994461 7y ago
    Well, I left to London because I couldn't find a job in France, so too late for me ^^
slooonz 7y ago
> Unemployment dropped dramatically thanks to the 35h work-week. They provably created at least 350000 jobs ( https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/les-35-h.. https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/les-35-h.... ). Bullshit. You can find official unemployment figures here : https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/3676628?sommaire=3696937 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/3676628?sommaire=369693.... 35h workweek has been voted in 2000 and started enforcement in 2002. Unemployment has increased uninterruptedly between 2001 and 2005. It decreased between 2000 and 2001, but it was part of a decreasing trend that started in 1997.

by wazoox 7y ago

PunchTornado 7y ago

it dropped dramatically to ... still 10% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35-hour_workweek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35-hour_workweek many think that the 35h week had no impact on employment figures

einpoklum 7y ago
Maybe the French don't under-count Employment like they do in many other countries; see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#Alternatives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#Alternatives
- user5994461 7y ago
  Rest assured, they undercount employment like every other country.
skitout 7y ago
Note that 35h did not applied to everyone, relabeled some paid break time as unpaid work time... Most importantly it was "sold" by allowing companies more flexibility with the workers... gain in productivity, more pressure (and a bit of more overtime) explain why the impact on unemployment had not been massive. This is totally different than what happen with pension scheme. If people work more years, it means more people for the same "stock" of job at first... So more unemployment at least at short and medium term.

user5994461 7y ago

It's two fold, there is no work AND there is no point in working. If you get unemployed at 58, you get 2 years of unemployment benefits at almost full salary (was supposed to be reduced to 18 months earlier this year). If you have side income (rental properties bought long ago since you're 58) or some undeclared work on the side, you're golden. That's not to diminish the issue of there are no jobs, it's a real problem, but there isn't any hurry to find or accept a job either.

skitout 7y ago
France lack 4 millions jobs at least... hurry to find or accept a job don't change this !
- user5994461 7y ago
  Well, I left to London because I couldn't find a job in France, so too late for me ^^

slooonz 7y ago

> Unemployment dropped dramatically thanks to the 35h work-week. They provably created at least 350000 jobs ( https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/les-35-h.. https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/les-35-h.... ). Bullshit. You can find official unemployment figures here : https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/3676628?sommaire=3696937 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/3676628?sommaire=369693.... 35h workweek has been voted in 2000 and started enforcement in 2002. Unemployment has increased uninterruptedly between 2001 and 2005. It decreased between 2000 and 2001, but it was part of a decreasing trend that started in 1997.