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> haven't ready any… all you are seeing novice gains… Interestingly I've also seen the complaint that "all strength coaches know that if you've already had tra

> haven't ready any… all you are seeing novice gains… Interestingly I've also seen the complaint that "all strength coaches know that if you've already had training experience, it's very easy to regain muscle pounds". So you gain if you're a novice, you gain if you're experienced… you gain… > Likewise with diet. Often folk swear by diet X because it works for them. (added emphasis). So it works… > It's not linear… Elite-level international competitors… just isn't going to work. I doubt I would bother writing and marketing a book for such a minuscule audience, especially if they have little or nothing to gain from it. > Apparently Feriss mentions hCG… He does point out risks, and caveats and even writes that surely he'll be wrong on some things. I know that likely people will completely overlook that, but what can you do more than explicitly point out things this way. There are parts of his work with which I disagree, or at least believe the advice could be different, better, more specific, or in cases more general, but I also get "filled with dread, suspicion and an instinctual need to take a piss" when some just decide to offer such negative appraisals even when they "haven't read any of his books". As they say, to each their own.

jacques_chester 16y ago
> Interestingly I've also seen the complaint that "all strength coaches know that if you've already had training experience, it's very easy to regain muscle pounds". So you gain if you're a novice, you gain if you're experienced… you gain… Regaining lost strength happens fast for two reasons. 1. Neural adaptations last longer than muscular adaptation. 2. A detrained, previously elite athlete has the same untapped recovery capacity as the novice. > (added emphasis). So it works… For a while. Added emphasis. And you cannot draw universal conclusions from anecdotes, no matter how compelling. What works for you may not work for me, except insofar as both diets will require caloric deficit to do anything. You're right that I may be attacking a strawman, but honestly, miraculous workout/diet regimes are not new to the iron sports universe. The critiques of one apply almost universally and without exception to the others. Aside from anabolic steroids, there are no silver bullets.
- look_lookatme 16y ago
  There are not enough upvotes in the world for the knowledge you are dropping in this thread.
  - jacques_chester 16y ago
    That's very flattering, but really, it's mostly on loan from a) Coach Rippetoe, b) The Mad Egyptian[1] (his nickname in Oly circles) and my own long meandering and mostly unimpressive journey until I read one and then the other. Credit also to my first Oly coach, Jack Walls. He churns out record-breakers like a factory. [1] aka Mohamed F. El-Hewie.
scott_s 16y ago
The parent's point about it not being linear is that the initial gains novices see don't continue. Getting stronger and gaining endurance are adaptations. If your fitness base is extremely low because you spend all day, every day sitting down, then any regular training program is going to force your body to adapt. But once you do adapt, you will need to either change programs, increase the intensity, or increase the frequency in order to continue seeing gains. This is simply because your body has adapted to those fitness requirements.
jacques_chester 16y ago
One more thing: > "filled with dread, suspicion and an instinctual need to take a piss" To take the piss, not a piss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss

jacques_chester 16y ago

> Interestingly I've also seen the complaint that "all strength coaches know that if you've already had training experience, it's very easy to regain muscle pounds". So you gain if you're a novice, you gain if you're experienced… you gain… Regaining lost strength happens fast for two reasons. 1. Neural adaptations last longer than muscular adaptation. 2. A detrained, previously elite athlete has the same untapped recovery capacity as the novice. > (added emphasis). So it works… For a while. Added emphasis. And you cannot draw universal conclusions from anecdotes, no matter how compelling. What works for you may not work for me, except insofar as both diets will require caloric deficit to do anything. You're right that I may be attacking a strawman, but honestly, miraculous workout/diet regimes are not new to the iron sports universe. The critiques of one apply almost universally and without exception to the others. Aside from anabolic steroids, there are no silver bullets.

look_lookatme 16y ago
There are not enough upvotes in the world for the knowledge you are dropping in this thread.
- jacques_chester 16y ago
  That's very flattering, but really, it's mostly on loan from a) Coach Rippetoe, b) The Mad Egyptian[1] (his nickname in Oly circles) and my own long meandering and mostly unimpressive journey until I read one and then the other. Credit also to my first Oly coach, Jack Walls. He churns out record-breakers like a factory. [1] aka Mohamed F. El-Hewie.

scott_s 16y ago

The parent's point about it not being linear is that the initial gains novices see don't continue. Getting stronger and gaining endurance are adaptations. If your fitness base is extremely low because you spend all day, every day sitting down, then any regular training program is going to force your body to adapt. But once you do adapt, you will need to either change programs, increase the intensity, or increase the frequency in order to continue seeing gains. This is simply because your body has adapted to those fitness requirements.

jacques_chester 16y ago

One more thing: > "filled with dread, suspicion and an instinctual need to take a piss" To take the piss, not a piss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss