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If the Chinese government wants to man in the middle traffic to foreign sites they can just force PC vendors to install a CCP controlled CA root on systems and

If the Chinese government wants to man in the middle traffic to foreign sites they can just force PC vendors to install a CCP controlled CA root on systems and make it illegal and/or very difficult to remove it. Shit, they can require vendors include a hardware backdoor, especially since so much of that hardware is produced domestically. Then they can view the traffic even going to and from foreign sites who would not comply with an order to share private keys and no safe browsing blacklist (like that would be accessible from inside the regime anyway) will help you.

eric-hu 7y ago
The Chinese government can do this for systems sold within China. They don't have the authority to do it for computers globally. If I'm understanding other comments correctly, browser vendors installing HTTPSEverywhere cuts down the potential for this Great Cannon attack from 7.7 billion users to 1.4 billion. An 80% reduction seems significant.
- giggles_giggles 7y ago
  I was under the impression that the other commenters were referring to HTTPS as a solution for those in China to protect themselves from their own government. Perhaps I was wrong.
  - mlyle 7y ago
    No. It's to protect users outside China visiting Chinese sites from being coopted to participate in DDoS.
gruez 7y ago
>If the Chinese government wants to man in the middle traffic to foreign sites they can just force PC vendors to install a CCP controlled CA root on systems and make it illegal and/or very difficult to remove it. Addressed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21721843 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21721843 >Shit, they can require vendors include a hardware backdoor, especially since so much of that hardware is produced domestically. If they're only doing it for local computers, the consequences/response is the same as the previous paragraph. If they're doing it for foreign computers on a mass scale required for a DDoS attack, if discovered will torpedo their entire electronics sector. All the "ban huawei" politicians will have a field day with that.

eric-hu 7y ago

The Chinese government can do this for systems sold within China. They don't have the authority to do it for computers globally. If I'm understanding other comments correctly, browser vendors installing HTTPSEverywhere cuts down the potential for this Great Cannon attack from 7.7 billion users to 1.4 billion. An 80% reduction seems significant.

giggles_giggles 7y ago
I was under the impression that the other commenters were referring to HTTPS as a solution for those in China to protect themselves from their own government. Perhaps I was wrong.
- mlyle 7y ago
  No. It's to protect users outside China visiting Chinese sites from being coopted to participate in DDoS.

gruez 7y ago

>If the Chinese government wants to man in the middle traffic to foreign sites they can just force PC vendors to install a CCP controlled CA root on systems and make it illegal and/or very difficult to remove it. Addressed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21721843 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21721843 >Shit, they can require vendors include a hardware backdoor, especially since so much of that hardware is produced domestically. If they're only doing it for local computers, the consequences/response is the same as the previous paragraph. If they're doing it for foreign computers on a mass scale required for a DDoS attack, if discovered will torpedo their entire electronics sector. All the "ban huawei" politicians will have a field day with that.