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That Cliqz is trying to actually build a new search stack is commendable. This is way more exciting to me than DuckDuckGo and other services that just package u
by bla3 7y ago
That Cliqz is trying to actually build a new search stack is commendable. This is way more exciting to me than DuckDuckGo and other services that just package up Bing search results under different branding.
I'm skeptical that they'll be successful, but I wish them the best. They should market (and engineer) strongly on privacy since that's where Google is weak.
- Animats 7y agoCertainly it can be done. Cuil did it with about 30 people a decade ago. No business model, they ran out of funding, and no one wanted to acquire them, but they did get the crawler and search engine running and publicly available. It might be worthwhile to do the search part in-house and outsource the question-answering functions. Wolfram Alpha and IBM Watson could be used for answering common questions.
- stingraycharles 7y agoDoesn’t that imply they weren’t successful?
- colejohnson66 7y agoI’m guessing successful in the sense that they had a product come to fruition
- umvi 7y ago> They should market (and engineer) strongly on privacy since that's where Google is weak. How can you build a privacy oriented search engine and still make money?
- bla3 7y agoBy selling ads solely against the query, and figuring out a way to track conversions against generated unique referring URL instead of using cookies. Maybe it's less profitable, but it might still be profitable, and it gives you a foothold.
- MrQuincle 7y agoOr a sponsored and unsponsored section. The only thing you pay for is for being higher up in the sponsored pane. No need for tracking. No conversion clicks tracked. Only higher on the sponsored listing.
- colejohnson66 7y agoWouldn’t that prevent people with less money from buying their way up to the top? In other words, the ones with the most money (not startups, mom&pop shops, etc) would be the only ones at the top.
- jdck1326 7y agoIf one didn't mind breaking even rather than making money one could create a search engine which is free software and have groups/people host their own instances.
- rsnor 7y agoSearx (https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances) is exactly what you described.
- setnone 7y agoI'd pay a subscription fee given that none of my digital fingerprints is being logged.
- tschakkaMarc 7y agoMarc from Cliqz here: it’s something I’m thinking about a lot since years, it’s a very clean model. We even did some tests, but unfortunately the majority of people is not like hacker news. What is a reasonable price point for you per month? How would you pay (ie would you feel comfortable giving us your credit card and create an account? (I don’t think crypto is big enough yet to solve this)
- mrb 7y ago«DuckDuckGo and other services that just package up Bing search results» Had to look that up. I found https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/ Bing is just one of "hundreds of vertical sources delivering" results to DuckDuckGo.
- mda 7y agoBing is the primary source though.
- AntiqueFig 7y agoSource?
- pheug 7y agohttps://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22my+user+agent%22 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22my+user+agent%22 - check what the snippets say.
- gregschlom 7y agoI'm not sure that's true. If you search the same query on both Bing and DDG, you'll see pretty different results.
- manojlds 7y agoI played with Yahoo BOSS a lot as a undergrad and I could tweak it to get "better" results than Yahoo Search for certain queries. That Bing and DDG have different results doesn't really say anything.
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- lisper 7y agoHow does ddg do that without running afoul of bing's ToS?