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I'm not defending China at all, they have tons of shitty policies. I'm just saying it is nothing like the holocaust and it is pretty absurd when people do those

by cc81 7y ago

I'm not defending China at all, they have tons of shitty policies. I'm just saying it is nothing like the holocaust and it is pretty absurd when people do those kind of comparisons. It reminds me of just before the Iraq invasion when the propaganda was at it's highest (Freedom fries and Dixie Chicks). If I again compare with the US as an example even if people don't like that. You have had many hundred if not thousands of suicide bombers that have stated that they sacrifice their life to strike against targets because of US imperialistic ways. Imagine the circumstances that lead to that.

kls 7y ago
The problem is you have two types of people, you have the guy that sees his kid get blown up and is like F'it I am going to detonate myself. I get it, I could be that guy under the right circumstances. The problem is the world is just as full of people ready and willing to exploit that guy and that is what happens. The situation is a lot more complicated than the American imperialist kills babies meme. The problem is though when you go after the other guys, who need going after, some good people get killed and it creates a newly exploitable class based on that anger and resentment. The guy who just wants to be left alone is constantly pushed into a corner by the guy that wants to control and manipulate people and those are the two types of people in the world. The American revolution was filled with guys that just wanted to be left alone. Congress is now filled with guys that want to control and manipulate. They are naturally attracted to power. It will take them pushing the US citizen who wants to be left alone (AKA the silent majority) into the corner before anything changes.
- cc81 7y ago
  The thing is when you write: >The problem is you have two types of people, you have the guy that sees his kid get blown up and is like F'it I am going to detonate myself. I get it, I could be that guy under the right circumstances. The problem is the world is just as full of people ready and willing to exploit that guy and that is what happens. The situation is a lot more complicated than the American imperialist kills babies meme. The problem is though when you go after the other guys, who need going after, some good people get killed and it creates a newly exploitable class based on that anger and resentment. That is also the exact motivation that China uses for its re-education camps. It is because of terrorism that they need to go after.
wnoise 7y ago
> I'm just saying it is nothing like the holocaust and it is pretty absurd when people do those kind of comparisons. It's clearly not exactly the same as the Holocaust. But it's disingenuous to say it's nothing like the Holocaust either, because there are a lot of similarities.
- cc81 7y ago
  Do you think they are more similar to the Holocaust than the US internment camps?
  - wnoise 7y ago
    I think they're closer to Nazi internment camps (which rather quickly transitioned to death camps) than the various US internment camps, yes. Are they death camps yet? Well, perhaps not. But there are none the less a hell of lot dehumanization. There are reports of forced abortions, rapes, medical experiments, and other tortures. To be clear, the US internment of the Japanese is a horrendous stain, but it clearly is far less evil than these camps.
PavlovsCat 7y ago
> I'm just saying it is nothing like the holocaust and it is pretty absurd when people do those kind of comparisons. No single Nazi killed millions, most probably killed none. What enabled it all was considering people as second-class citizens first, then non-humans. Doing that, and just killing one person makes one like a Nazi. Looking away when people are being tortured and murdered today makes one exactly as someone who looked away during the Holocaust. Any differences are not to the credit of the perpetrators or the people looking away, but owed to the circumstances.

by cc81 7y ago

kls 7y ago

The problem is you have two types of people, you have the guy that sees his kid get blown up and is like F'it I am going to detonate myself. I get it, I could be that guy under the right circumstances. The problem is the world is just as full of people ready and willing to exploit that guy and that is what happens. The situation is a lot more complicated than the American imperialist kills babies meme. The problem is though when you go after the other guys, who need going after, some good people get killed and it creates a newly exploitable class based on that anger and resentment. The guy who just wants to be left alone is constantly pushed into a corner by the guy that wants to control and manipulate people and those are the two types of people in the world. The American revolution was filled with guys that just wanted to be left alone. Congress is now filled with guys that want to control and manipulate. They are naturally attracted to power. It will take them pushing the US citizen who wants to be left alone (AKA the silent majority) into the corner before anything changes.

cc81 7y ago
The thing is when you write: >The problem is you have two types of people, you have the guy that sees his kid get blown up and is like F'it I am going to detonate myself. I get it, I could be that guy under the right circumstances. The problem is the world is just as full of people ready and willing to exploit that guy and that is what happens. The situation is a lot more complicated than the American imperialist kills babies meme. The problem is though when you go after the other guys, who need going after, some good people get killed and it creates a newly exploitable class based on that anger and resentment. That is also the exact motivation that China uses for its re-education camps. It is because of terrorism that they need to go after.

wnoise 7y ago

> I'm just saying it is nothing like the holocaust and it is pretty absurd when people do those kind of comparisons. It's clearly not exactly the same as the Holocaust. But it's disingenuous to say it's nothing like the Holocaust either, because there are a lot of similarities.

cc81 7y ago
Do you think they are more similar to the Holocaust than the US internment camps?
- wnoise 7y ago
  I think they're closer to Nazi internment camps (which rather quickly transitioned to death camps) than the various US internment camps, yes. Are they death camps yet? Well, perhaps not. But there are none the less a hell of lot dehumanization. There are reports of forced abortions, rapes, medical experiments, and other tortures. To be clear, the US internment of the Japanese is a horrendous stain, but it clearly is far less evil than these camps.

PavlovsCat 7y ago

> I'm just saying it is nothing like the holocaust and it is pretty absurd when people do those kind of comparisons. No single Nazi killed millions, most probably killed none. What enabled it all was considering people as second-class citizens first, then non-humans. Doing that, and just killing one person makes one like a Nazi. Looking away when people are being tortured and murdered today makes one exactly as someone who looked away during the Holocaust. Any differences are not to the credit of the perpetrators or the people looking away, but owed to the circumstances.