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I wouldn't say it was obvious, mainly because this was something Google did specifically to cause this. I would imagine you could replicate the same results wit

I wouldn't say it was obvious, mainly because this was something Google did specifically to cause this. I would imagine you could replicate the same results with other major search engines simply by doing the same thing with the same amount of volume as the Google dudes did. Additionally, if things were reversed and Google was posed these questions, I would imagine would be lacking just as many answers as what Bing is supplying.

txxxxd 16y ago
> I wouldn't say it was obvious, mainly because this was something Google did specifically to cause this There is a subtle point that many posts like this are overlooking. Google didn't run this experiment to cause bing to show bogus results, they did it to confirm the rise in suspiciously similar results produced by bing.
- corin_ 16y ago
  Google didn't run this experiment to cause bing to show bogus results, they did it to confirm... There is a counter argument to that. If Bing's claims are true, then Google didn't run the experiment to confirm the results, they ran it to cause the results. I think 99% of HN, including myself, will share your opinion, but it doesn't counter Bing's claims because it boils down to "which company do we believe?"
  - simonk 16y ago
    I don't understand what are Bing's claims that make it so just went Google did this they were copying results.
  - muro 16y ago
    Google: we found that bing is copying us. To prove it, we ran this experiment. Bing: doh, of course we use google results, but we told you that before in an obscure academic paper. Didn't you read that? And we are innovative - shiny pictures!
napierzaza 16y ago
>Additionally, if things were reversed and Google was posed these questions, I would imagine would be lacking just as many answers as what Bing is supplying. That's like saying you'd be evasive like OJ Simpson if you murdered a few people and were on trial. So if Google used Bing to rank searches it would also be under scrutiny? Since that's not the case we can all avoid the useless thought experiment can't we?
- ddemchuk 16y ago
  Google uses click data in their ranking algorithm. It's a fact. Pick a low volume, low competition niche, have 30+ of your friends search for the keyword and page through the results until you find a result (same for everyone), have everyone click through and not bounce. You will improve that site's rankings. Chrome tracks clicks and traffic. Google Toolbar tracks clicks and traffic. The difference in the situation is that the majority of people use IE to search on Google, not the Google toolbar/Chrome to search on Bing. Bing has more data to work from than Google does in regards to this exact type of click tracking.

txxxxd 16y ago

> I wouldn't say it was obvious, mainly because this was something Google did specifically to cause this There is a subtle point that many posts like this are overlooking. Google didn't run this experiment to cause bing to show bogus results, they did it to confirm the rise in suspiciously similar results produced by bing.

corin_ 16y ago
Google didn't run this experiment to cause bing to show bogus results, they did it to confirm... There is a counter argument to that. If Bing's claims are true, then Google didn't run the experiment to confirm the results, they ran it to cause the results. I think 99% of HN, including myself, will share your opinion, but it doesn't counter Bing's claims because it boils down to "which company do we believe?"
- simonk 16y ago
  I don't understand what are Bing's claims that make it so just went Google did this they were copying results.
- muro 16y ago
  Google: we found that bing is copying us. To prove it, we ran this experiment. Bing: doh, of course we use google results, but we told you that before in an obscure academic paper. Didn't you read that? And we are innovative - shiny pictures!

napierzaza 16y ago

>Additionally, if things were reversed and Google was posed these questions, I would imagine would be lacking just as many answers as what Bing is supplying. That's like saying you'd be evasive like OJ Simpson if you murdered a few people and were on trial. So if Google used Bing to rank searches it would also be under scrutiny? Since that's not the case we can all avoid the useless thought experiment can't we?

ddemchuk 16y ago
Google uses click data in their ranking algorithm. It's a fact. Pick a low volume, low competition niche, have 30+ of your friends search for the keyword and page through the results until you find a result (same for everyone), have everyone click through and not bounce. You will improve that site's rankings. Chrome tracks clicks and traffic. Google Toolbar tracks clicks and traffic. The difference in the situation is that the majority of people use IE to search on Google, not the Google toolbar/Chrome to search on Bing. Bing has more data to work from than Google does in regards to this exact type of click tracking.