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China demonstrates that it is willing to cross moral boundaries (CRISPR, IP theft) and sacrifice the present to improve the future (Massive infrastructure pavin

China demonstrates that it is willing to cross moral boundaries (CRISPR, IP theft) and sacrifice the present to improve the future (Massive infrastructure paving over individual properties). Western world shows exactly opposite trends - absolute refusal to make any sort of sacrifices (see: reaction to Carbon taxes, minority property owners blocking major infrastructure projects), prioritizing status quo at the cost of hurting future generations (see: Prop 13 in CA, highly cumbersome firing process in France), risk aversion (see: reaction to Nuclear energy proposals) If China was not facing adverse population pyramid coupled with hostility to immigration, it would have had an easy way to global supremacy. Though Western world is trying very hard to erase that advantage by both producing fewer babies and raising barriers for immigration. * albeit for a small marginal minority, never for the elites

roenxi 7y ago
IP theft isn't a moral boundary; it is a legal one. Pro- and Anti- IP positions are not moral positions. I can't claim moral superiority to you because I think copyright should be a year longer or shorter. Enforcing IP law that retards the lifestyle of 20% of the worlds population is arguably the immoral position.
- DrJosiah 7y ago
  I hope nothing you create ever gets stolen. Because if it does, you may find yourself in a moral quandry where your personal feelings and "copy rights" butt right up against this "immoral position" you claim to be wanting to counter. Beyond drug companies being profiteering assholes (steal their drugs, please, save people's lives, that'd be awesome), IP theft by China is mostly China being a bunch of selfish "I can't do it myself, so I'll steal yours" assholes. China has access to everything they need to not be shit stains on the world. Yet they still are working on an ethnic cleansing of Tibet, Mongolia, and Uyghur muslims, in addition to what can only be described as authoritarian murder in Hong Kong. Fuck China. Fuck Chinese IP theft. And fuck you for defending Chinese IP theft. Eat a sack of dicks.
  - dang 7y ago
    You can't attack other users or nations like this here, regardless of how strongly you feel. Please review the site guidelines and stick to them when commenting on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - DrJosiah 7y ago
      Okay. Fuck China. Fuck Chinese IP Theft. Ban me.
827djdjs6 7y ago
The western world is currently crippled by a large swathes of well intentioned idiots. Going green is no different than soccer mom's who preach anti gmo and anti vax nonsense. Meanwhile China sees that it's economic growth, military, and independence that made the USA number 1. Meanwhile again, the Europeans are busy clutching their pearls because they can't come up with a way to sustain their culture of laziness.
schuke 7y ago
China is anything but future over present. Massive infrastructures are a result of stimulating the economy for short term stats over long term economic sustainability. Same with terrible pollution and countless political and security measures that hurt future prospects, detention camps being one of them.
faissaloo 7y ago
I'm not sure what's immoral about IP 'theft'

roenxi 7y ago

IP theft isn't a moral boundary; it is a legal one. Pro- and Anti- IP positions are not moral positions. I can't claim moral superiority to you because I think copyright should be a year longer or shorter. Enforcing IP law that retards the lifestyle of 20% of the worlds population is arguably the immoral position.

DrJosiah 7y ago
I hope nothing you create ever gets stolen. Because if it does, you may find yourself in a moral quandry where your personal feelings and "copy rights" butt right up against this "immoral position" you claim to be wanting to counter. Beyond drug companies being profiteering assholes (steal their drugs, please, save people's lives, that'd be awesome), IP theft by China is mostly China being a bunch of selfish "I can't do it myself, so I'll steal yours" assholes. China has access to everything they need to not be shit stains on the world. Yet they still are working on an ethnic cleansing of Tibet, Mongolia, and Uyghur muslims, in addition to what can only be described as authoritarian murder in Hong Kong. Fuck China. Fuck Chinese IP theft. And fuck you for defending Chinese IP theft. Eat a sack of dicks.
- dang 7y ago
  You can't attack other users or nations like this here, regardless of how strongly you feel. Please review the site guidelines and stick to them when commenting on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - DrJosiah 7y ago
    Okay. Fuck China. Fuck Chinese IP Theft. Ban me.

827djdjs6 7y ago

The western world is currently crippled by a large swathes of well intentioned idiots. Going green is no different than soccer mom's who preach anti gmo and anti vax nonsense. Meanwhile China sees that it's economic growth, military, and independence that made the USA number 1. Meanwhile again, the Europeans are busy clutching their pearls because they can't come up with a way to sustain their culture of laziness.

schuke 7y ago

China is anything but future over present. Massive infrastructures are a result of stimulating the economy for short term stats over long term economic sustainability. Same with terrible pollution and countless political and security measures that hurt future prospects, detention camps being one of them.

faissaloo 7y ago

I'm not sure what's immoral about IP 'theft'