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I think Elementary should have focused on just shipping Pantheon as their end product. GNOME has had issues not only in the performance department, but it's als

I think Elementary should have focused on just shipping Pantheon as their end product. GNOME has had issues not only in the performance department, but it's also a very different type of minimalism for a DE that's supposed to be the mainstream pick for normal users. Elementary has adopted a far more conventional DE that feels as simple as GNOME, but far more usable. But I'm never going to use Elementary over Ubuntu or Fedora, and I wouldn't install it on a non-tech person's computer. Redhat employs all the systemd/kernel folks so you're getting a super stable system with lots of updates and vanilla packages. Ubuntu has lots of documentation and a huge community. In terms of just gettting shit done as a programmer or a normal user Elementary is fighting an uphill battle. Now if I could get Fedora or Ubuntu with Pantheon as the default choice over GNOME - sign me up.

ac29 7y ago
I'm never going to use Elementary either but I dont think its really targeted towards current Linux users, especially experienced ones. Its targeted towards Windows/macOS users.
whalesalad 7y ago
You’re not wrong. It’s clear that their passion lies in the user experience and specifically look and feel.
- kick 7y ago
  He is wrong. They shouldn't have focused on throwing a layer on top of a bloated base-image. They wanted cohesion, and cohesion doesn't come from Canonical or Red Hat.
aspaceman 7y ago
As far as I'm aware, you can set up Pantheon yourself on Debian or Fedora (or Arch): https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pantheon https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pantheon https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pantheon-desktop-git/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pantheon-desktop-git/ The above is on arch, but the PKGBUILD should have generic enough build and packaging info, and I imagine there is a PPA equivalent.
asveikau 7y ago
Since you mention the day-to-day for programmers, what are you missing? For me, I consider this essential: terminal emulator, editor, compiler and related stuff, browser. All of that is independent of your desktop environment. I personally don't use any gnome or similar, just use a normal WM like its the 90s, with xterm as a very important piece.
rcarmo 7y ago
It’s essentially Ubuntu LTS (I run and install exactly the same packages and PPAs as bionic), so you might want to sign up now :)
CameronNemo 7y ago
>Redhat employs all the systemd/kernel folks That is not true -- IBM/Redhat is a minority kernel contributor (most are from the IBM group), and Fedora is not an IBM product or project. Fedora is independent and often considered an alpha/beta/canary version of RHEL (the latter is IBM's priority, without a doubt).

ac29 7y ago

I'm never going to use Elementary either but I dont think its really targeted towards current Linux users, especially experienced ones. Its targeted towards Windows/macOS users.

whalesalad 7y ago

You’re not wrong. It’s clear that their passion lies in the user experience and specifically look and feel.

kick 7y ago
He is wrong. They shouldn't have focused on throwing a layer on top of a bloated base-image. They wanted cohesion, and cohesion doesn't come from Canonical or Red Hat.

aspaceman 7y ago

As far as I'm aware, you can set up Pantheon yourself on Debian or Fedora (or Arch): https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pantheon https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pantheon https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pantheon-desktop-git/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pantheon-desktop-git/ The above is on arch, but the PKGBUILD should have generic enough build and packaging info, and I imagine there is a PPA equivalent.

asveikau 7y ago

Since you mention the day-to-day for programmers, what are you missing? For me, I consider this essential: terminal emulator, editor, compiler and related stuff, browser. All of that is independent of your desktop environment. I personally don't use any gnome or similar, just use a normal WM like its the 90s, with xterm as a very important piece.

rcarmo 7y ago

It’s essentially Ubuntu LTS (I run and install exactly the same packages and PPAs as bionic), so you might want to sign up now :)

CameronNemo 7y ago

>Redhat employs all the systemd/kernel folks That is not true -- IBM/Redhat is a minority kernel contributor (most are from the IBM group), and Fedora is not an IBM product or project. Fedora is independent and often considered an alpha/beta/canary version of RHEL (the latter is IBM's priority, without a doubt).