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So I have one and I noticed what I consider a minor pop when shuffling around in a video. I noticed it I guess, but not enough to care. It’s not loud. On mine a

So I have one and I noticed what I consider a minor pop when shuffling around in a video. I noticed it I guess, but not enough to care. It’s not loud. On mine anyway. I’m surprised anyone noticed it enough to write about it. Haven’t seen any ghosting. My only complaint at the moment is, holy crap does this thing get HOT.

simongr3dal 7y ago
In my opinion the cooling capabilities of all MacBook types are pretty lacking. Even if the 16” is significantly improved in this regard as Apple claims, they also really like to make the fan response low and importantly silent until it reaches uncomfortably temperatures. Using a program to configure a custom fan response curve is highly recommended.
castillar76 7y ago
That's been true for the last couple revs of the MBP: for some reason (likely aesthetics), Apple likes to keep the fan RPMs really low until absolutely forced to crank them up. I don't mind fan noise generally, so I've resorted to loading something like 'Macs Fan Control' (https://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control https://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control) on each new laptop, and then adjusting the curves to start cooling at lower temps and max out earlier. The more aggressive fan cooling also, I find, helps eliminate the tendency to thermal-throttle that will reduce the Mac to a crawl under sustained heavy load.
- m0zg 7y ago
  It's electronics and thermodynamics actually. People tend to anthropomorphize electronics, but Tcase of up to about 72C is not an issue at all for a CPU (official Tjunction max is 100-105C - that's the temperature of the chip inside the case). The spec states that the CPU will work fine as long as this temperature is not exceeded. In electronics the spec is the word of god, and if it says so, the chip is safe to operate at that temperature for its rated lifetime. Consider as well that cooling systems require temperature gradient in order to work, the higher the temperature gradient, the less air you need to move to dissipate the heat. Apple has been doing very careful thermal management for well over a decade and a half now. They don't excessively cool their hardware. This is made possible by vertical integration: they can rely on the readings of their temperature sensors (unlike say a PC enthusiast, where those readings can be wildly off).
  - kryptiskt 7y ago
    Surely they are aware that sometimes people use their laptops in their laps?
    - m0zg 7y ago
      And that's why they _never_ call it a laptop. It's "notebook" only.

simongr3dal 7y ago

In my opinion the cooling capabilities of all MacBook types are pretty lacking. Even if the 16” is significantly improved in this regard as Apple claims, they also really like to make the fan response low and importantly silent until it reaches uncomfortably temperatures. Using a program to configure a custom fan response curve is highly recommended.

castillar76 7y ago

That's been true for the last couple revs of the MBP: for some reason (likely aesthetics), Apple likes to keep the fan RPMs really low until absolutely forced to crank them up. I don't mind fan noise generally, so I've resorted to loading something like 'Macs Fan Control' (https://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control https://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control) on each new laptop, and then adjusting the curves to start cooling at lower temps and max out earlier. The more aggressive fan cooling also, I find, helps eliminate the tendency to thermal-throttle that will reduce the Mac to a crawl under sustained heavy load.

m0zg 7y ago
It's electronics and thermodynamics actually. People tend to anthropomorphize electronics, but Tcase of up to about 72C is not an issue at all for a CPU (official Tjunction max is 100-105C - that's the temperature of the chip inside the case). The spec states that the CPU will work fine as long as this temperature is not exceeded. In electronics the spec is the word of god, and if it says so, the chip is safe to operate at that temperature for its rated lifetime. Consider as well that cooling systems require temperature gradient in order to work, the higher the temperature gradient, the less air you need to move to dissipate the heat. Apple has been doing very careful thermal management for well over a decade and a half now. They don't excessively cool their hardware. This is made possible by vertical integration: they can rely on the readings of their temperature sensors (unlike say a PC enthusiast, where those readings can be wildly off).
- kryptiskt 7y ago
  Surely they are aware that sometimes people use their laptops in their laps?
  - m0zg 7y ago
    And that's why they _never_ call it a laptop. It's "notebook" only.