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Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome? Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)? Blame firefox for selling out

Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome? Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)? Blame firefox for selling out their users not the search engine. I didn't close my account with amazon when Ubuntu started sending searches to them, I just switched distros.

nostromo 7y ago
There's a difference. When I use a service from Google, I expect that my data will be parsed by Google. And I can decide if I trust Google or not. But Firefox sending the urls I visit to a third party (Cliqz) silently and without permission is shady and deceptive. And then, after all this, Cliqz claims that it's a company built on privacy... sheesh.
- galaxyLogic 7y ago
  An interesting quote for their article: " Philosophically, we believe copying is a loaded term, we prefer to use the term learning. Learning from each other is something all of us do" What is the difference between copying and learning?
BlackLotus89 7y ago
I use mainly duckduckgo and only use google if duckduckgo doesn't bring up anything useable (which is far too often for me tbh). And yes I blame firefox for every mishap over the last few years like the certificate expiration, the mr robot "advertising", the cloudflare dns and so on. But I see the good things as well like trowing out avast. So I trust them more than google. But still I will never trust something like cliqz which belongs to the media gmbh which produces Schund like die bunte. Ps I tested the beta and the search results werent good Pps I will read the search engine articles thought
yellowapple 7y ago
> Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome? No, which is why I use neither Google nor Chrome. > Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)? No, which is why I use neither Bing (besides indirect use via DuckDuckGo including it as a data source) nor IE/Edge. > I didn't close my account with amazon when Ubuntu started sending searches to them, Amazon didn't and doesn't (last I checked) have a financial stake in Canonical, nor did/does Canonical have one in Amazon. No need to blame Amazon here; that was just Canonical being stupid. However, per Wikipedia, the same disconnection can't be asserted between Mozilla and Cliqz: > In August 2016, Mozilla, developer of Firefox, made a minority investment in Cliqz. Cliqz plans to eventually monetize the software through a program known as Cliqz Offers, which will deliver sponsored offers to users based on their interests and browsing history. > [...] > On 6 October 2017, Mozilla announced a test where approximately 1% of users downloading Firefox in Germany would receive a version with Cliqz software included. The feature provided recommendations directly in the browser's search field, including for news, weather, sports, and other websites, based on the user's browsing history and activities. That is: Mozilla invests in a company whose stated business model is literally to scrape my browsing history and shove ads into my browser, and then a year or so later starts A/B testing this as something baked into Firefox for German users. That's scummy, no matter which way you look at it, and no matter how many times Cliqz assures users that "we pinky swear we're not collecting any personally-identifiable data". I'm taking Cliqz' "we care about your privacy" claims with a hydrostatically-equilibrious and possibly-neighborhood-clearing grain of salt.

nostromo 7y ago

There's a difference. When I use a service from Google, I expect that my data will be parsed by Google. And I can decide if I trust Google or not. But Firefox sending the urls I visit to a third party (Cliqz) silently and without permission is shady and deceptive. And then, after all this, Cliqz claims that it's a company built on privacy... sheesh.

galaxyLogic 7y ago
An interesting quote for their article: " Philosophically, we believe copying is a loaded term, we prefer to use the term learning. Learning from each other is something all of us do" What is the difference between copying and learning?

BlackLotus89 7y ago

I use mainly duckduckgo and only use google if duckduckgo doesn't bring up anything useable (which is far too often for me tbh). And yes I blame firefox for every mishap over the last few years like the certificate expiration, the mr robot "advertising", the cloudflare dns and so on. But I see the good things as well like trowing out avast. So I trust them more than google. But still I will never trust something like cliqz which belongs to the media gmbh which produces Schund like die bunte. Ps I tested the beta and the search results werent good Pps I will read the search engine articles thought

yellowapple 7y ago

> Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome? No, which is why I use neither Google nor Chrome. > Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)? No, which is why I use neither Bing (besides indirect use via DuckDuckGo including it as a data source) nor IE/Edge. > I didn't close my account with amazon when Ubuntu started sending searches to them, Amazon didn't and doesn't (last I checked) have a financial stake in Canonical, nor did/does Canonical have one in Amazon. No need to blame Amazon here; that was just Canonical being stupid. However, per Wikipedia, the same disconnection can't be asserted between Mozilla and Cliqz: > In August 2016, Mozilla, developer of Firefox, made a minority investment in Cliqz. Cliqz plans to eventually monetize the software through a program known as Cliqz Offers, which will deliver sponsored offers to users based on their interests and browsing history. > [...] > On 6 October 2017, Mozilla announced a test where approximately 1% of users downloading Firefox in Germany would receive a version with Cliqz software included. The feature provided recommendations directly in the browser's search field, including for news, weather, sports, and other websites, based on the user's browsing history and activities. That is: Mozilla invests in a company whose stated business model is literally to scrape my browsing history and shove ads into my browser, and then a year or so later starts A/B testing this as something baked into Firefox for German users. That's scummy, no matter which way you look at it, and no matter how many times Cliqz assures users that "we pinky swear we're not collecting any personally-identifiable data". I'm taking Cliqz' "we care about your privacy" claims with a hydrostatically-equilibrious and possibly-neighborhood-clearing grain of salt.