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> I don't mind having an always-on Android phone with a microphone and 2 cameras... I'm not happy that I don't have the option of a hardware switch to disable

> I don't mind having an always-on Android phone with a microphone and 2 cameras... I'm not happy that I don't have the option of a hardware switch to disable the cameras and mics on a phone, but I can do everything a smart speaker does without bugging my home in the process. If a company like samsung, LG, or Motorola offered a phone that really took user privacy seriously I think they'd find a lot of people would be interested, but until then I just have to assume my phone is spying on me at all times and I limit how I use it and what data I enter into it as a result.

pdimitar 7y ago
The reason I bought an iPhone was that in my eyes I'm picking the lesser evil: only Apple is spying on me. While in Android's case it's Google, the smartphone vendor (Samsung, Huawei etc.) and hell knows how many others. I of course don't have an irrefutable proof but judging by circumstantial evidence, news and PR, it's the best conclusion I can reach for now. But I'm pretty sure my iPhone is spying on me anyway.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  This is one of the reasons I'm considering switching to iPhone for my next phone, FWIW.
  - riversflow 7y ago
    I’m on iPhone for a daily driver for similar reasons but considering switching to a Galaxy S9 running Lineage (to better boycott China), FWIW.
    - pdimitar 7y ago
      You might be better served by a Xiaomi phone. They have a very active dev community and apps and ADB tweaks that boycott the private data telemetry to China and Google are introduced and updated regularly. Or at least they were last I checked a year ago. :D
      - riversflow 7y ago
        I’m particularly interested in boycotting Chinese made products to the best of my ability. That’s why I’m trying to switch off iPhone. I don’t see how a phone designed and produced in China would serve that goal.
        pdimitar 7y ago
        I understand. I am simply pointing out an option for the price-sensitive folk who also don't mind going the extra mile to fight for their privacy and reduce tracking. I personally prefer my iPhone.
RandomBacon 7y ago
> I'm not happy that I don't have the option of a hardware switch to disable the cameras and mics on a phone Librem 5 is the phone you're looking for. Or a Pine Phone.
- autoexec 7y ago
  I've looked into Librem phones from time to time over the years and every time I check the phones are unavailable, usually back-ordered. I'm sure they've managed to ship something at some point but I haven't seen anyone IRL who has one. Pine seems to be about the same (maybe available next year although even then you'll likely be using an OS that's in beta). Not encouraging. As much as I'd love to support these kinds of products they just don't seem ready.
  - curioussavage 7y ago
    People just started receiving their librem 5 phones. I think the early pinephones are shipping too or very close to it
  - nextos 7y ago
    If you prefer a bit of OS polish while Librem improves, why not using AOSP on a Pixel or Xperia device?
    - autoexec 7y ago
      It'll be some time before I replace my current device, but once I do I'll be looking for something that supports LineageOS or Replicant although that'd still leave the hardware suspect.
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  - fghtr 7y ago
    > but I haven't seen anyone IRL who has one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21696130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21696130
varenc 7y ago
The mute switch on Amazon's Alexa hardware is supposed to be a hardware switch. Once that's pressed the microphones are physically disconnected. The devices light up red to indicate this. (Not sure if all the more recent Alexa products still have this though)
- autoexec 7y ago
  I just learned about the mute switch yesterday. It's nice that they have one, but keeping your smart speaker mic off 100% of the time severely limits it's usefulness where as you can disable the smart assistant on your phone and still have a perfectly functional phone.

pdimitar 7y ago

The reason I bought an iPhone was that in my eyes I'm picking the lesser evil: only Apple is spying on me. While in Android's case it's Google, the smartphone vendor (Samsung, Huawei etc.) and hell knows how many others. I of course don't have an irrefutable proof but judging by circumstantial evidence, news and PR, it's the best conclusion I can reach for now. But I'm pretty sure my iPhone is spying on me anyway.

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
This is one of the reasons I'm considering switching to iPhone for my next phone, FWIW.
- riversflow 7y ago
  I’m on iPhone for a daily driver for similar reasons but considering switching to a Galaxy S9 running Lineage (to better boycott China), FWIW.
  - pdimitar 7y ago
    You might be better served by a Xiaomi phone. They have a very active dev community and apps and ADB tweaks that boycott the private data telemetry to China and Google are introduced and updated regularly. Or at least they were last I checked a year ago. :D
    - riversflow 7y ago
      I’m particularly interested in boycotting Chinese made products to the best of my ability. That’s why I’m trying to switch off iPhone. I don’t see how a phone designed and produced in China would serve that goal.
      - pdimitar 7y ago
        I understand. I am simply pointing out an option for the price-sensitive folk who also don't mind going the extra mile to fight for their privacy and reduce tracking. I personally prefer my iPhone.

RandomBacon 7y ago

> I'm not happy that I don't have the option of a hardware switch to disable the cameras and mics on a phone Librem 5 is the phone you're looking for. Or a Pine Phone.

autoexec 7y ago
I've looked into Librem phones from time to time over the years and every time I check the phones are unavailable, usually back-ordered. I'm sure they've managed to ship something at some point but I haven't seen anyone IRL who has one. Pine seems to be about the same (maybe available next year although even then you'll likely be using an OS that's in beta). Not encouraging. As much as I'd love to support these kinds of products they just don't seem ready.
- curioussavage 7y ago
  People just started receiving their librem 5 phones. I think the early pinephones are shipping too or very close to it
- nextos 7y ago
  If you prefer a bit of OS polish while Librem improves, why not using AOSP on a Pixel or Xperia device?
  - autoexec 7y ago
    It'll be some time before I replace my current device, but once I do I'll be looking for something that supports LineageOS or Replicant although that'd still leave the hardware suspect.
- deleted 7y ago
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- fghtr 7y ago
  > but I haven't seen anyone IRL who has one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21696130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21696130

varenc 7y ago

The mute switch on Amazon's Alexa hardware is supposed to be a hardware switch. Once that's pressed the microphones are physically disconnected. The devices light up red to indicate this. (Not sure if all the more recent Alexa products still have this though)

autoexec 7y ago
I just learned about the mute switch yesterday. It's nice that they have one, but keeping your smart speaker mic off 100% of the time severely limits it's usefulness where as you can disable the smart assistant on your phone and still have a perfectly functional phone.