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I understand the frustration at a cyclist doing this, but are you more bothered by a cyclist doing this or a driver doing this? You say "it's difficult to fath

I understand the frustration at a cyclist doing this, but are you more bothered by a cyclist doing this or a driver doing this? You say "it's difficult to fathom this level of negligence", but a driver doing this is significantly more dangerous -- yet current laws don't take this into account. For example: a ticket for a cyclist running a red light in NYC is greater than a ticket for a driver texting on their phone.

downerending 7y ago
For the same act, of course a car is much more dangerous than a bicycle. But, I've never been buzzed by a car going 20mph at a distance of under one foot, and certainly not while I'm walking on a sidewalk. I am regularly buzzed by bikes in this manner. In general, drivers act with the knowledge that if they even tap a pedestrian, they're likely to severely injure or kill them. They might be sloppy or distracted, but they almost never willfully do this. I encounter bicyclists playing "chicken" with me on sidewalks all the time. There's a cold or smug look on their face as they ride directly toward me--it's clear that I'd better step aside or be struck. So, regardless of the actual numbers, cyclists seem more dangerous. I don't think accurate statistics are being collected on this sort of thing, and I think we should start. (P.S. Have you really seen a bicyclist getting a ticket in NYC? Never seen that in my life. Wow!)
- btrettel 7y ago
  > In general, drivers act with the knowledge that if they even tap a pedestrian, they're likely to severely injure or kill them. They might be sloppy or distracted, but they almost never willfully do this. In my experience as a cyclist and pedestrian, many drivers don't seem to act with the knowledge that if they even tap a pedestrian or cyclist that they'll severely injure or kill them. Many drivers do similar things to what you describe cyclists as doing. Ultimately the percentage of jerks among drivers, cyclists, and pedestrians is about the same. > (P.S. Have you really seen a bicyclist getting a ticket in NYC? Never seen that in my life. Wow!) Isn't NYC famous for ticketing cyclists? E.g., for not riding in the bike lane? (Which isn't illegal by the way.) I don't know specifically about the claim previously made but it seems plausible to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ I live in Austin and as a cyclist I've gone through bike stop sign enforcement twice (getting a ticket neither time). My guess is that the same thing happens regularly in NYC, but you're not paying attention for such things.
  - downerending 7y ago
    Lived in NYC for about four years and never saw a cyclist being ticketed or even stopped. Even that guy that killed a pedestrian in Central Park wasn't ticketed, AFAIK. Only saw maybe four drivers get tickets, though, and two looked more like some dispute about taxi regulations than actual moving violations. I will say that NYC bicyclists are far more law-abiding and respectful than my current "bike-friendly" city. (Never thought I'd type those words...)
- EncryptEntropy 7y ago
  Bicycles are not to be ridden on sidewalks, which are for walking. You should promptly brace yourself and stiff arm said cyclist in the throat in joust. Bicycles are road legal vehicles.
- frenchman_in_ny 7y ago
  I feel like a lot of drivers I've encountered (in NYC) are relatively aggressive towards pedestrians & cyclists. Cyclists shouldn't be on the sidewalk (unless they're kids <8 years old I believe). As to bicyclists being ticketed... unfortunately, yes. I've been ticketed and a number of friends have been ticketed. There have been a number of anti-cycling initiatives recently (follow @bikesnobnyc to see the level of it, with some snark)

downerending 7y ago

For the same act, of course a car is much more dangerous than a bicycle. But, I've never been buzzed by a car going 20mph at a distance of under one foot, and certainly not while I'm walking on a sidewalk. I am regularly buzzed by bikes in this manner. In general, drivers act with the knowledge that if they even tap a pedestrian, they're likely to severely injure or kill them. They might be sloppy or distracted, but they almost never willfully do this. I encounter bicyclists playing "chicken" with me on sidewalks all the time. There's a cold or smug look on their face as they ride directly toward me--it's clear that I'd better step aside or be struck. So, regardless of the actual numbers, cyclists seem more dangerous. I don't think accurate statistics are being collected on this sort of thing, and I think we should start. (P.S. Have you really seen a bicyclist getting a ticket in NYC? Never seen that in my life. Wow!)

btrettel 7y ago
> In general, drivers act with the knowledge that if they even tap a pedestrian, they're likely to severely injure or kill them. They might be sloppy or distracted, but they almost never willfully do this. In my experience as a cyclist and pedestrian, many drivers don't seem to act with the knowledge that if they even tap a pedestrian or cyclist that they'll severely injure or kill them. Many drivers do similar things to what you describe cyclists as doing. Ultimately the percentage of jerks among drivers, cyclists, and pedestrians is about the same. > (P.S. Have you really seen a bicyclist getting a ticket in NYC? Never seen that in my life. Wow!) Isn't NYC famous for ticketing cyclists? E.g., for not riding in the bike lane? (Which isn't illegal by the way.) I don't know specifically about the claim previously made but it seems plausible to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ I live in Austin and as a cyclist I've gone through bike stop sign enforcement twice (getting a ticket neither time). My guess is that the same thing happens regularly in NYC, but you're not paying attention for such things.
- downerending 7y ago
  Lived in NYC for about four years and never saw a cyclist being ticketed or even stopped. Even that guy that killed a pedestrian in Central Park wasn't ticketed, AFAIK. Only saw maybe four drivers get tickets, though, and two looked more like some dispute about taxi regulations than actual moving violations. I will say that NYC bicyclists are far more law-abiding and respectful than my current "bike-friendly" city. (Never thought I'd type those words...)
EncryptEntropy 7y ago
Bicycles are not to be ridden on sidewalks, which are for walking. You should promptly brace yourself and stiff arm said cyclist in the throat in joust. Bicycles are road legal vehicles.
frenchman_in_ny 7y ago
I feel like a lot of drivers I've encountered (in NYC) are relatively aggressive towards pedestrians & cyclists. Cyclists shouldn't be on the sidewalk (unless they're kids <8 years old I believe). As to bicyclists being ticketed... unfortunately, yes. I've been ticketed and a number of friends have been ticketed. There have been a number of anti-cycling initiatives recently (follow @bikesnobnyc to see the level of it, with some snark)