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> You can't just eat 3000 calories of junk food a day and expect the doctor to "fix it" What you're saying is true, but that's not what everyone believes. If

> You can't just eat 3000 calories of junk food a day and expect the doctor to "fix it" What you're saying is true, but that's not what everyone believes. If you watch any episode of My 600 Pound Life, you will realize just how unwilling some of these people are to help themselves because it's hard work (and many people featured on the show die as a result). Yes, those are obviously extreme examples, but they're all extremely well documented. I absolutely agree we should focus on taking care of ourselves before it leads to enormous health issues, but weirdly it doesn't seem the US healthcare system is designed for that.

CharlesColeman 7y ago
> If you watch any episode of My 600 Pound Life, you will realize just how unwilling some of these people are to help themselves Please don't use point-and-gawk trash TV shows to make generalizations about the world. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9al-mpqXjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9al-mpqXjc
- OnlineGladiator 7y ago
  You may disagree with the presentation, but it's still a documentary about real people's lives. If you watch the show you'll realize it's very sympathetic to the people suffering from obesity. I agree (as mentioned originally) these are extreme cases though.
  - CharlesColeman 7y ago
    And a Potemkin village still has real people in it. The point is: TLC [1] reality TV programs exist to entertain. They'll choose the most entertaining examples, not the most typical or illustrative. That bias means that's it's especially problematic to use them to show how "these people are." [1] The network of "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" fame
    - OnlineGladiator 7y ago
      I agree with you we shouldn't generalize, but ironically you're doing the same thing about television shows. If you've watched the show, what do you find disagreeable about it? If you haven't watched it, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge. Anyway, I concede it's a bad talking point for the point I was making. EDIT: On second thought, my original comment is such a tangent I probably should not have made it. While I may disagree with some of the details of your reasoning, I agree with your overall point.
- fortran77 7y ago
  I watch that show. It's one of my favorites. Maybe it's beneath your level of intellect--I presume you're a 10x'er who only watches PBS--but I've learned a lot about the super-obese and their challenges from this very sensitive show.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
> but weirdly it doesn't seem the US healthcare system is designed for that That's true. Your average interaction with a physician in the US to a 20 minute conversation while they fill out some forms in Epic, barely paying attention, then kick you out of their office as quickly as possible. A month or more later the bureaucratic machines of both hospital and insurance finally get around to sending you a bill for $250+.

CharlesColeman 7y ago

> If you watch any episode of My 600 Pound Life, you will realize just how unwilling some of these people are to help themselves Please don't use point-and-gawk trash TV shows to make generalizations about the world. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9al-mpqXjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9al-mpqXjc

OnlineGladiator 7y ago
You may disagree with the presentation, but it's still a documentary about real people's lives. If you watch the show you'll realize it's very sympathetic to the people suffering from obesity. I agree (as mentioned originally) these are extreme cases though.
- CharlesColeman 7y ago
  And a Potemkin village still has real people in it. The point is: TLC [1] reality TV programs exist to entertain. They'll choose the most entertaining examples, not the most typical or illustrative. That bias means that's it's especially problematic to use them to show how "these people are." [1] The network of "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" fame
  - OnlineGladiator 7y ago
    I agree with you we shouldn't generalize, but ironically you're doing the same thing about television shows. If you've watched the show, what do you find disagreeable about it? If you haven't watched it, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge. Anyway, I concede it's a bad talking point for the point I was making. EDIT: On second thought, my original comment is such a tangent I probably should not have made it. While I may disagree with some of the details of your reasoning, I agree with your overall point.
fortran77 7y ago
I watch that show. It's one of my favorites. Maybe it's beneath your level of intellect--I presume you're a 10x'er who only watches PBS--but I've learned a lot about the super-obese and their challenges from this very sensitive show.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago

> but weirdly it doesn't seem the US healthcare system is designed for that That's true. Your average interaction with a physician in the US to a 20 minute conversation while they fill out some forms in Epic, barely paying attention, then kick you out of their office as quickly as possible. A month or more later the bureaucratic machines of both hospital and insurance finally get around to sending you a bill for $250+.