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If it was an issue that could be fixed "in a few days" why wouldn't they simply fix the issue and then release the phone? Or are you suggesting that not being a

If it was an issue that could be fixed "in a few days" why wouldn't they simply fix the issue and then release the phone? Or are you suggesting that not being able to make phone calls on a phone is something that slipped through their testing? It has been a "few days" since their announcement and of course this "bug" hasn't been fixed. It seems less like a bug and more like a major design flaw/hurdle.

seba_dos1 7y ago
> and of course this "bug" hasn't been fixed You can hear call audio if you use CI images since a few days ago already. Last rough edges are being sorted out right now before finally packaging it all into PureOS.
- computerex 7y ago
  The issue is that you can neither hear call audio nor transmit any audio, and it'll be fixed when the fix is in the hands of the customers that got the device.
  - seba_dos1 7y ago
    Yes, that's the issue I'm talking about. It already works both ways on CI images, which every customer can grab and install themselves - it simply has packages taken directly from git, as opposed to explicit releases from regular images. I have said that because of: >It seems less like a bug and more like a major design flaw/hurdle. to show that it's not true.
    - computerex 7y ago
      Do you have installation instructions on how to do this?
      - seba_dos1 7y ago
        https://arm01.puri.sm/job/Images/job/Image%20Build/ https://arm01.puri.sm/job/Images/job/Image%20Build/ - buster+ci images
        computerex 7y ago
        That's a link to Jenkins. I was hoping for step by step of how to apply the newly built images and get the phone audio working so that people can make phone calls.
        danShumway 7y ago
        The Jenkins link is pulling from their Git repository, which includes instructions on setting up a bootable SD card: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/image-builder https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/image-builder It looks like it's just `dd`, and there are hundreds of tutorials online diving into how `dd` works if you're curious about learning more. Not sure if there's a more complicated practice for flashing directly to the phone's internal storage itself, but it can't possibly be more complicated than installing a custom ROM on an Android phone.
        seba_dos1 7y ago
        Seriously? All it takes is just a quick look into manual. https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Development_Environment/Phone/Troubleshooting/Reflashing_the_Phone.html https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Development_Environment/Ph...
jolmg 7y ago
> why wouldn't they simply fix the issue and then release the phone? Hadn't they pushed the release date many times already? I think making progress more palpable was important. Isn't it better to ship something flawed and continue improving while already in the hands of people than to ship nothing at all and appear more and more like vaporware?
- filmgirlcw 7y ago
  > Isn't it better to ship something flawed and continue improving while already in the hands of people than to ship nothing at all and appear more and more like vaporware? If you position it purely as a hobbyist project and do not guarantee it for day to day use, I think that’s fine. This is fine for a dev kit. I think taking preorders and trying to sell it as a privacy-focused phone that can be a real alternative to the main steel options when you don’t have basic things, like making audio calls, figured out, is problematic. I get the company needs money from preorders to fund development and production, but at the same time, as a consumer, their lack of funding for development/business plan isn’t my problem. I’m generally fine when things like this are kickstarted and the risk is clear. I’m less comfortable when after the crowdfunding, the company does direct to consumer sales/pre-orders, when the stuff just isn’t done and that isn’t well articulated to anyone clicking that pre-order button.
  - seba_dos1 7y ago
    None of the pre-ordered (after the campaign) devices shipped yet, those are early batches sent to early backers who were given a choice to either get them now, or wait for mass produced version.
    - filmgirlcw 7y ago
      I understand that. You're still pre-ordering something that there isn't concrete proof will be ready/as described.

seba_dos1 7y ago

> and of course this "bug" hasn't been fixed You can hear call audio if you use CI images since a few days ago already. Last rough edges are being sorted out right now before finally packaging it all into PureOS.

computerex 7y ago
The issue is that you can neither hear call audio nor transmit any audio, and it'll be fixed when the fix is in the hands of the customers that got the device.
- seba_dos1 7y ago
  Yes, that's the issue I'm talking about. It already works both ways on CI images, which every customer can grab and install themselves - it simply has packages taken directly from git, as opposed to explicit releases from regular images. I have said that because of: >It seems less like a bug and more like a major design flaw/hurdle. to show that it's not true.
  - computerex 7y ago
    Do you have installation instructions on how to do this?
    - seba_dos1 7y ago
      https://arm01.puri.sm/job/Images/job/Image%20Build/ https://arm01.puri.sm/job/Images/job/Image%20Build/ - buster+ci images
      - computerex 7y ago
        That's a link to Jenkins. I was hoping for step by step of how to apply the newly built images and get the phone audio working so that people can make phone calls.
        danShumway 7y ago
        The Jenkins link is pulling from their Git repository, which includes instructions on setting up a bootable SD card: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/image-builder https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/image-builder It looks like it's just `dd`, and there are hundreds of tutorials online diving into how `dd` works if you're curious about learning more. Not sure if there's a more complicated practice for flashing directly to the phone's internal storage itself, but it can't possibly be more complicated than installing a custom ROM on an Android phone.
        seba_dos1 7y ago
        Seriously? All it takes is just a quick look into manual. https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Development_Environment/Phone/Troubleshooting/Reflashing_the_Phone.html https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Development_Environment/Ph...

jolmg 7y ago

> why wouldn't they simply fix the issue and then release the phone? Hadn't they pushed the release date many times already? I think making progress more palpable was important. Isn't it better to ship something flawed and continue improving while already in the hands of people than to ship nothing at all and appear more and more like vaporware?

filmgirlcw 7y ago
> Isn't it better to ship something flawed and continue improving while already in the hands of people than to ship nothing at all and appear more and more like vaporware? If you position it purely as a hobbyist project and do not guarantee it for day to day use, I think that’s fine. This is fine for a dev kit. I think taking preorders and trying to sell it as a privacy-focused phone that can be a real alternative to the main steel options when you don’t have basic things, like making audio calls, figured out, is problematic. I get the company needs money from preorders to fund development and production, but at the same time, as a consumer, their lack of funding for development/business plan isn’t my problem. I’m generally fine when things like this are kickstarted and the risk is clear. I’m less comfortable when after the crowdfunding, the company does direct to consumer sales/pre-orders, when the stuff just isn’t done and that isn’t well articulated to anyone clicking that pre-order button.
- seba_dos1 7y ago
  None of the pre-ordered (after the campaign) devices shipped yet, those are early batches sent to early backers who were given a choice to either get them now, or wait for mass produced version.
  - filmgirlcw 7y ago
    I understand that. You're still pre-ordering something that there isn't concrete proof will be ready/as described.