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Now imagine hypothetical scenario. Some innocent victim of the torture program or victim's relative decides to take revenge on USA by committing a mass murder o

by Hitton 7y ago

Now imagine hypothetical scenario. Some innocent victim of the torture program or victim's relative decides to take revenge on USA by committing a mass murder or a terrorist attack. Wouldn't it be kinda justified? With an exception of kids, how many Americans are really blameless for these actions? They elected the leaders who allowed it (both Republicans - Bush and Democrats - Obama), they don't hold people who committed it accountable, they didn't try to make amends to victims or reimburse them. Many people go to BLM protest, but this torture was much worse than that and Americans just ... don't care.

metabagel 7y ago
Obama banned the use of torture.
- boomboomsubban 7y ago
  Yet continued drone strikes, killing who knows how many innocent people. Not a huge improvement.
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- ncmncm 7y ago
  ... but completely failed to prosecute anyone.
- Hitton 7y ago
  But the question is if it was meant to be real ban or just piece of paper to make the voters feel good. There is evidence pointing to the second possibility - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_jail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_jail . Also the failure to prosecute perpetrators or compensate the victims...
tepidandroid 7y ago
No need to imagine hypothetical scenarios. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
bluntfang 7y ago
I must not think bad thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbn3hGkpeo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbn3hGkpeo >...and Americans just ... don't care. I don't think that's fair. There's evidence that we have been placed in a system designed to not allow us to care, much less do anything about it.
yodsanklai 7y ago
> They elected the leaders who allowed it I used to think that voting was useless, and I never voted until I was about 40 years old. This is the thing that made me change my mind. If I were to meet a victim of the torture program, could I tell them I'm blameless? The candidates I vote for will never get elected, but at least I actively dissociated myself from the worst ones.

by Hitton 7y ago

metabagel 7y ago

Obama banned the use of torture.

boomboomsubban 7y ago
Yet continued drone strikes, killing who knows how many innocent people. Not a huge improvement.
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ncmncm 7y ago
... but completely failed to prosecute anyone.
Hitton 7y ago
But the question is if it was meant to be real ban or just piece of paper to make the voters feel good. There is evidence pointing to the second possibility - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_jail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_jail . Also the failure to prosecute perpetrators or compensate the victims...

tepidandroid 7y ago

No need to imagine hypothetical scenarios. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

bluntfang 7y ago

I must not think bad thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbn3hGkpeo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbn3hGkpeo >...and Americans just ... don't care. I don't think that's fair. There's evidence that we have been placed in a system designed to not allow us to care, much less do anything about it.

yodsanklai 7y ago

> They elected the leaders who allowed it I used to think that voting was useless, and I never voted until I was about 40 years old. This is the thing that made me change my mind. If I were to meet a victim of the torture program, could I tell them I'm blameless? The candidates I vote for will never get elected, but at least I actively dissociated myself from the worst ones.