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The United States should be better than this, makes me sad to be American.
by annoyingnoob 7y ago
The United States should be better than this, makes me sad to be American.
- Koshkin 7y agoYou may not believe this, but humans are like that (and have been throughout the entire history). Makes me sad to be a human, but things are probably better than how they were, say, 300 years ago.
- refurb 7y agoThis is really true. It may be depressing for some people, but humans doing the wrong thing sometimes is never going to go away.
- cylon13 7y agoWe may never be able to get rid of individual psychos that torture people, but it would be nice if we could get rid of large-scale state-sanctioned torture that everyone knows about.
- dsfyu404ed 7y agoDoubtful, at least anytime soon. The diffusion of responsibility that large organizations bring enables the organization to act however unethically it wants in pursuit of its goals without anyone feeling responsible for it. Clandestine "we have to stop this instance when it becomes known" torture is still better than "everyone winks and nods and the program goes on" torture though.
- mattigames 7y agoyes but we should focus on the ones done recently or still being done, and in that aspect America really takes the crown along China and a few other ones.
- mertnesvat 7y agoReading all what has been done also makes me sad but on the other hand I remember lots of families who suffer and traumatised because of the terrorist attacks.
- rebuilder 7y agoYou're begging the question.
- mattnewton 7y agoThen I remember the lack of any evidence that torture produces good information.
- tehjoker 7y agoI agree with you. I am further saddened that when I look at our history, it is impossible to say "this isn't us". This is 100% the kind of deep evil the American state has sanctioned throughout our history from slavery, to genocide of native peoples, to imperialism in the Philippenes, to the more modern firebombing of entire cities, funding (through narco trafficking) death squads to overthrow elected governments, starting three wars based on lies (Spanish-American, Vietnam, Iraq) etc. The security state is 100% antithetical to the aims, morality, and interests of the population as a whole.
- davidw 7y agoDon't just be sad. Get involved and get active.
- annoyingnoob 7y agoI vote but often feel like my vote doesn't count for much.
- davidw 7y agoThere are a lot of other ways of getting involved, especially at the local level. I'm still kind of figuring out as I go, but maybe the best bet is to find some like minded people who sort of know what they're doing in terms of 'activism'. After all, a lot of politicians 'higher up the food chain' got their start locally. So that's a good place to help push things in a direction you'd like to see.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y agoYeah, welcome to how I feel every day since 2001.9.11. Granted I was in highschool at the time, and we tend to view our youthful years with rose-tinted glasses, but I remember that as a significant turning point where we went from torture being something only bad people in foreign countries would do to something that has its merits debated openly. Never again have I been able to hold any faith in my government or countrymen. Which is not to say that those things were worthy of my faith beforehand, only that my illusions were shattered.