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> Firefox is awesome. it is doing great now, but lost a great deal of marketshare precisely because it was a slow, bloated mess > FF dev tools are awesome. d

> Firefox is awesome. it is doing great now, but lost a great deal of marketshare precisely because it was a slow, bloated mess > FF dev tools are awesome. debatable. chrome hot code replace in debug is a great asset. mounting a local workspace to synchronize changes is situational, but when you can leverage it it's great. firefox code view's "find in files" only search linked javascript, chrome search everywhere so it can catches references in inlined javascript I work with both regularly, for personal usage I prefer firefox, for the obvious implications, but I find a lot less friction in developing using chrome.

cdubzzz 7y ago
Firefox has “hot code replace”. At least in Nightly as of a few months ago when I first used it.
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  if I put a breakpoint in firefox as of now (71.0) code can't be edited, how do you access hot swapping in debug?
prophesi 7y ago
Do you actually use firefox for your personal usage? FF Quantum hit the stage two years ago. Performance is now a moot point; they've had plenty of time to recoup on any market share losses from that with the new Quantum branding. And they've been releasing dope features for the dev tools with almost every release. Check out this especially feature-rich release: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/12/firefox-71-a-year-end-arrival/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/12/firefox-71-a-year-end-arri...
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  > Performance is now a moot point yeah, I even said it >> it is doing great now > they've had plenty of time to recoup on any market share losses from that with the new Quantum branding. don't let fact get in the way of a feel good opinion, I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#/media/File:StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-200901-201905.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#/m...
  - prophesi 7y ago
    Welppp, that's a sad chart. Though I really doubt Firefox's drop in market-share is that tied to performance. The story is more likely to be Chrome/Chromium as the default on Android, the release of Chromebooks, etc. Of course, this is just me interpreting facts with my feel good opinion. Back to the main point at hand, though, Firefox is obviously not doing well today either according to that chart. But its performance and dev tools are top-notch.
    - LoSboccacc 7y ago
      performance, yes, dev tools are lacking all the listed features historically speaking, Chrome got the share it got because Firefox was a memory hog and was running a purely interpreted JavaScript engine on top of a single threaded rendering engine in a time where core numbers and web app were becoming mainstream.
      - prophesi 7y ago
        Hm, touché! That lines up with the timeline, though I still think Chrome's _sustained_ and _stark_ uptick in market share is due to their market dominance in every field of one's digital life. I must admit that I've never used those missing dev tools in Chrome, as those issues are non-existent in a webpack environment (that's essentially what workspace mounting and hot code reloading is mirroring). And the search function works with all files, including inline code, as of Quantum as well.

cdubzzz 7y ago

Firefox has “hot code replace”. At least in Nightly as of a few months ago when I first used it.

LoSboccacc 7y ago
if I put a breakpoint in firefox as of now (71.0) code can't be edited, how do you access hot swapping in debug?

prophesi 7y ago

Do you actually use firefox for your personal usage? FF Quantum hit the stage two years ago. Performance is now a moot point; they've had plenty of time to recoup on any market share losses from that with the new Quantum branding. And they've been releasing dope features for the dev tools with almost every release. Check out this especially feature-rich release: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/12/firefox-71-a-year-end-arrival/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/12/firefox-71-a-year-end-arri...

LoSboccacc 7y ago
> Performance is now a moot point yeah, I even said it >> it is doing great now > they've had plenty of time to recoup on any market share losses from that with the new Quantum branding. don't let fact get in the way of a feel good opinion, I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#/media/File:StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-200901-201905.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#/m...
- prophesi 7y ago
  Welppp, that's a sad chart. Though I really doubt Firefox's drop in market-share is that tied to performance. The story is more likely to be Chrome/Chromium as the default on Android, the release of Chromebooks, etc. Of course, this is just me interpreting facts with my feel good opinion. Back to the main point at hand, though, Firefox is obviously not doing well today either according to that chart. But its performance and dev tools are top-notch.
  - LoSboccacc 7y ago
    performance, yes, dev tools are lacking all the listed features historically speaking, Chrome got the share it got because Firefox was a memory hog and was running a purely interpreted JavaScript engine on top of a single threaded rendering engine in a time where core numbers and web app were becoming mainstream.
    - prophesi 7y ago
      Hm, touché! That lines up with the timeline, though I still think Chrome's _sustained_ and _stark_ uptick in market share is due to their market dominance in every field of one's digital life. I must admit that I've never used those missing dev tools in Chrome, as those issues are non-existent in a webpack environment (that's essentially what workspace mounting and hot code reloading is mirroring). And the search function works with all files, including inline code, as of Quantum as well.