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Americans (and Europeans) are very used to the idea that no matter your race or creed you can be just as American as anyone else. We many times forget that not

Americans (and Europeans) are very used to the idea that no matter your race or creed you can be just as American as anyone else. We many times forget that not every country in the world acts this way. China being one of them.

kazagistar 7y ago
(Just ignore the racism and discussion of "not real americans" and whitewashing of violence of minorities and horrifying concentration camps.)
- solarhoma 7y ago
  Are you speaking of foreign citizens illegally gaining access to the United States? Which are placed in camps (call them concentration camps if you will but they in no way resemble what China is doing to the Uyghurs, i.e. a true concentration camp). And once in these camps they are processed for asylum, refugee status, etc? Yes, they may be stuck in these ‘horrifying’ camps which is not where they want to be. But they need to be vetted before entry into the US. And consider they are not being brainwashed against their ideals and religion as is happening in China.
  - pengstrom 7y ago
    Just because they're not as bad as China doesn't mean they're not horrendous. I mean, families are separated! How can you defend such a system? The USA is very rich, and has the means to provide a dignified process. I mean, you're a country of mostly immigrant-descendants, right?
    - squiggleblaz 7y ago
      Where are you from, that your hands are lily white? Trying to say that the US is equivalent to China because they both have concentration camps is completely ridiculous. Even the children of illegal immigrants with unpopular religions in the US will have the legal and right to contribute to future US policies. China's treatment of the Uyghur and US treatment of illegal immigrants are both immoral, but they aren't by any means the same.
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JeremyNT 7y ago
I almost did a spit take there. America's short history includes genocide, enslavement, de facto disenfranchisement, economic discrimination, and/or dramatically unequal jurisprudence levied against basically all non-Europeans. You could say that this is somehow improved since the civil rights movement, and you'd be right, but its legacy as a de-facto patriarchal ethnostate looms large to this day and if this is the beacon of inclusion and harmony that the rest of the world aspires to that's a sorry situation indeed. The US line of "all men are created equal" should have come with a footnote explaining that "some are more equal than others."
dangerface 7y ago
Thats nonsense, even if you ignore the past problems we had with race and creed like the genocide of native Americans, enslavement of Africans. Today Americas police and prison system has institutionalised racism. USA has camps they keep Mexicans in and separate their families. China and Russia do these things too I know but that doesn't white wash what we do. > Americans (and Europeans) are very used to the idea that no matter your race or creed you can be just as American as anyone else As long as your race is white and your creed is western. I would say the same thing about china as long as you are Chinese.

kazagistar 7y ago

(Just ignore the racism and discussion of "not real americans" and whitewashing of violence of minorities and horrifying concentration camps.)

solarhoma 7y ago
Are you speaking of foreign citizens illegally gaining access to the United States? Which are placed in camps (call them concentration camps if you will but they in no way resemble what China is doing to the Uyghurs, i.e. a true concentration camp). And once in these camps they are processed for asylum, refugee status, etc? Yes, they may be stuck in these ‘horrifying’ camps which is not where they want to be. But they need to be vetted before entry into the US. And consider they are not being brainwashed against their ideals and religion as is happening in China.
- pengstrom 7y ago
  Just because they're not as bad as China doesn't mean they're not horrendous. I mean, families are separated! How can you defend such a system? The USA is very rich, and has the means to provide a dignified process. I mean, you're a country of mostly immigrant-descendants, right?
  - squiggleblaz 7y ago
    Where are you from, that your hands are lily white? Trying to say that the US is equivalent to China because they both have concentration camps is completely ridiculous. Even the children of illegal immigrants with unpopular religions in the US will have the legal and right to contribute to future US policies. China's treatment of the Uyghur and US treatment of illegal immigrants are both immoral, but they aren't by any means the same.
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JeremyNT 7y ago

I almost did a spit take there. America's short history includes genocide, enslavement, de facto disenfranchisement, economic discrimination, and/or dramatically unequal jurisprudence levied against basically all non-Europeans. You could say that this is somehow improved since the civil rights movement, and you'd be right, but its legacy as a de-facto patriarchal ethnostate looms large to this day and if this is the beacon of inclusion and harmony that the rest of the world aspires to that's a sorry situation indeed. The US line of "all men are created equal" should have come with a footnote explaining that "some are more equal than others."

dangerface 7y ago

Thats nonsense, even if you ignore the past problems we had with race and creed like the genocide of native Americans, enslavement of Africans. Today Americas police and prison system has institutionalised racism. USA has camps they keep Mexicans in and separate their families. China and Russia do these things too I know but that doesn't white wash what we do. > Americans (and Europeans) are very used to the idea that no matter your race or creed you can be just as American as anyone else As long as your race is white and your creed is western. I would say the same thing about china as long as you are Chinese.