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How do they hope to implement this law? Given the fact that people can even root their smart-phones and get rid of those apps?

carlmr 7y ago
You can do that. But the average Joe will either accept it as fact or not even care.
ketzu 7y ago
According to the article, they just have to be pre-installed, which is easy to enforce. It can be enforced the same way Google makes OEMs install all their software despite people being able to root and remove it. It doesn't need to be checked on every phone, and if you have to create some that fulfill the requirement, you lose most incentive to have a separate section without it. Also rooting is a non-solution for many people, even if they know how to do it. Many banking apps refuse to work on rooted phones, and the apps are often required to use the banking services. My experience on this is restricted to Germany though.
- dngray 7y ago
  > Many banking apps refuse to work on rooted phones, and the apps are often required to use the banking services. My understanding is you can get around that with things like: • Magisk: https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445 https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk... • Xposed: https://repo.xposed.info https://repo.xposed.info eg https://repo.xposed.info/module-overview?combine=bank https://repo.xposed.info/module-overview?combine=bank
  - ketzu 7y ago
    That's true, I forgot about those. They increase the friction of having a rooted phone though. Also many apps seem to implement some custom checks, some even refuse to work reliably on unrooted phones, e.g., barclaycard. When I had lineageOS flashed on one of my older phones I couldn't get my banking apps to run, although I only tried 2 or 3 "hide root" solutions. I believe that reliably rooting is * Not an option for the general population, * Not desired by large parts of the general population, * An option taken by people that are more willing to try alternative apps anyways. * Counter to people that just want a system that works. While preinstalled apps target the general population not willing to change but may be willing to try things they already have anyways. The motivation is the same for google to have their apps preinstalled (even forcing OEMs to install them when all the OEMs want is the play store). Overall I think: forcing preinstallation is an attempt to support local companies and cost foreign ones users. For this the (small) group of people rooting their phone is probably irrelevant.

carlmr 7y ago

You can do that. But the average Joe will either accept it as fact or not even care.

ketzu 7y ago

According to the article, they just have to be pre-installed, which is easy to enforce. It can be enforced the same way Google makes OEMs install all their software despite people being able to root and remove it. It doesn't need to be checked on every phone, and if you have to create some that fulfill the requirement, you lose most incentive to have a separate section without it. Also rooting is a non-solution for many people, even if they know how to do it. Many banking apps refuse to work on rooted phones, and the apps are often required to use the banking services. My experience on this is restricted to Germany though.

dngray 7y ago
> Many banking apps refuse to work on rooted phones, and the apps are often required to use the banking services. My understanding is you can get around that with things like: • Magisk: https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445 https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk... • Xposed: https://repo.xposed.info https://repo.xposed.info eg https://repo.xposed.info/module-overview?combine=bank https://repo.xposed.info/module-overview?combine=bank
- ketzu 7y ago
  That's true, I forgot about those. They increase the friction of having a rooted phone though. Also many apps seem to implement some custom checks, some even refuse to work reliably on unrooted phones, e.g., barclaycard. When I had lineageOS flashed on one of my older phones I couldn't get my banking apps to run, although I only tried 2 or 3 "hide root" solutions. I believe that reliably rooting is * Not an option for the general population, * Not desired by large parts of the general population, * An option taken by people that are more willing to try alternative apps anyways. * Counter to people that just want a system that works. While preinstalled apps target the general population not willing to change but may be willing to try things they already have anyways. The motivation is the same for google to have their apps preinstalled (even forcing OEMs to install them when all the OEMs want is the play store). Overall I think: forcing preinstallation is an attempt to support local companies and cost foreign ones users. For this the (small) group of people rooting their phone is probably irrelevant.