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Do you own the data? Do the police have access to it? What about Amazon or their partners? Starting a post with a sentence about how you're a paranoid guy and

Do you own the data? Do the police have access to it? What about Amazon or their partners? Starting a post with a sentence about how you're a paranoid guy and dislike Big Brother and what-not, and then pivoting to spend multiple paragraphs on how you live in a nice neighborhood and don't mind providing data and surveillance on those around you feels more than a little disingenuous. Despite (because of?) being an Amazon employee, though one who works nowhere near the Ring, I'd never buy a Ring - and I don't exactly think I'm the most "paranoid guy" about "the surveillance state and whatnot". Isn't the whole point of the article that the corporate-cop partnerships which are budding here seem distinctly dystopian? Why post all of these positive aspects which -- ostensibly -- exist in competitors (Arlo, maybe?) without the shady downside?

secabeen 7y ago
Currently, the police do not have access to it. There is a centralized system they can use that simplifies the process for the police to request footage from a homeowners, but that's all it is, a request. That said, since it is data in the hands of a third party, if the police really wanted that footage, they could issue a search warrant on Ring, and compel them to turn it over, just like they could compel you to turn over your footage with a subpoena or search warrant. > Ring will only provide video content in response to a valid search warrant or with the verified consent of the account owner. >https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001318523-Law-Enforcement-Legal-Process-Guidelines https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001318523-Law-...
- WaxProlix 7y ago
  I know this is their stated, current stance, but given their sort of bizarre ball of incentives to integrate with the cop process as much as possible in order to drive revenue, I imagine that barrier - to the extent that it actually exists today - will degrade over time, if allowed to. You can't take your data back; in this case, you can't take your family's or neighbors' data back, either.
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  > Currently, the police do not have access to it. Yes, they do. Ring lets the police know that video evidence exists, and with that information, police can get a warrant for it. It's hard to get a warrant for data when the police don't know it even exists, and it's even harder to get data that might not exist when it's you who decides the retention policy, and not Amazon.

secabeen 7y ago

Currently, the police do not have access to it. There is a centralized system they can use that simplifies the process for the police to request footage from a homeowners, but that's all it is, a request. That said, since it is data in the hands of a third party, if the police really wanted that footage, they could issue a search warrant on Ring, and compel them to turn it over, just like they could compel you to turn over your footage with a subpoena or search warrant. > Ring will only provide video content in response to a valid search warrant or with the verified consent of the account owner. >https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001318523-Law-Enforcement-Legal-Process-Guidelines https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001318523-Law-...

WaxProlix 7y ago
I know this is their stated, current stance, but given their sort of bizarre ball of incentives to integrate with the cop process as much as possible in order to drive revenue, I imagine that barrier - to the extent that it actually exists today - will degrade over time, if allowed to. You can't take your data back; in this case, you can't take your family's or neighbors' data back, either.
heavyset_go 7y ago
> Currently, the police do not have access to it. Yes, they do. Ring lets the police know that video evidence exists, and with that information, police can get a warrant for it. It's hard to get a warrant for data when the police don't know it even exists, and it's even harder to get data that might not exist when it's you who decides the retention policy, and not Amazon.