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> somehow whatever AMP/Google is doing results in less bloated pages on these AMP pages. The article links to another page that dives into this: AMP isn't actu

> somehow whatever AMP/Google is doing results in less bloated pages on these AMP pages. The article links to another page that dives into this: AMP isn't actually creating less bloated pages. The speed increase is because Google Search preloads the content for all AMP results so you're effectively getting a cached page when you click on it. That is incredibly monopolistic behavior because it can't be reproduced any other way.

lern_too_spel 7y ago
> That is incredibly monopolistic behavior because it can't be reproduced any other way. Monopolistic would be Google making publishers integrate directly with them to enable prerendering like Apple News or Facebook Instant Articles. AMP pages can and are consumed by link aggregators other than Google, so they are very specifically not abusing their monopoly by telling publishers to use AMP.
- RonanTheGrey 7y ago
  Oh look you copy-pasted this reply and got downvoted for it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21713738 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21713738 What part of "Only Google can preload the results on the search results page" did you miss.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    Also Bing, Yahoo, Baidu, Yandex, and every other link aggregator (unlike Apple News or FBIA, which were designed for the same purpose). What part of that don't you understand?
    - RonanTheGrey 7y ago
      What part of Google is the only one that preloads AMP content don't you understand?
      - lern_too_spel 7y ago
        What part of Bing also prerenders AMP content didn't you understand? That's the whole point of AMP. Here's a prerendered result I just grabbed from Bing. https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2019-12-05%2fthanksgiving-week-storm-record-75-foot-wave-off-california-coast%3f_amp%3dtrue https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fst...
      - privateSFacct 7y ago
        Ignore this guy - he's just trolling I think. AMP can be loaded (and preloaded) by anyone who wants to. You can have your browser do preloads if you want.
privateSFacct 7y ago
This is terrible misinformation. The rules in AMP designed to speed performance are extensive. Lots of things you can do in HTML - linked style sheets, synchronous third party java-script and ad frameworks etc etc are heavily restricted. There are size limits even on the inline CSS I think or even on the separate web worker javascript even animations are restricted so they can be accelerated. The speed increase is not just because of preload. Turn on dev tools and look at network round trips / page size / CPU usage on an AMP vs nonAMP page.
- RonanTheGrey 7y ago
  Thanks for the downvote just because you don't want people to know the truth: all those "parts of the standard" that "make pages faster"? Don't do much at all. Bother to read TFA please - the average AMP page still loads in roughly 8.5 seconds on normal 3G. What makes them seem "fast" is Google preloading their content on the search results page and using Google's CDN to serve what remains. YOU are spreading misinformation and one might ask why.

lern_too_spel 7y ago

> That is incredibly monopolistic behavior because it can't be reproduced any other way. Monopolistic would be Google making publishers integrate directly with them to enable prerendering like Apple News or Facebook Instant Articles. AMP pages can and are consumed by link aggregators other than Google, so they are very specifically not abusing their monopoly by telling publishers to use AMP.

RonanTheGrey 7y ago
Oh look you copy-pasted this reply and got downvoted for it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21713738 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21713738 What part of "Only Google can preload the results on the search results page" did you miss.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  Also Bing, Yahoo, Baidu, Yandex, and every other link aggregator (unlike Apple News or FBIA, which were designed for the same purpose). What part of that don't you understand?
  - RonanTheGrey 7y ago
    What part of Google is the only one that preloads AMP content don't you understand?
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      What part of Bing also prerenders AMP content didn't you understand? That's the whole point of AMP. Here's a prerendered result I just grabbed from Bing. https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fstory%2f2019-12-05%2fthanksgiving-week-storm-record-75-foot-wave-off-california-coast%3f_amp%3dtrue https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com%2fcalifornia%2fst...
    - privateSFacct 7y ago
      Ignore this guy - he's just trolling I think. AMP can be loaded (and preloaded) by anyone who wants to. You can have your browser do preloads if you want.

privateSFacct 7y ago

This is terrible misinformation. The rules in AMP designed to speed performance are extensive. Lots of things you can do in HTML - linked style sheets, synchronous third party java-script and ad frameworks etc etc are heavily restricted. There are size limits even on the inline CSS I think or even on the separate web worker javascript even animations are restricted so they can be accelerated. The speed increase is not just because of preload. Turn on dev tools and look at network round trips / page size / CPU usage on an AMP vs nonAMP page.

RonanTheGrey 7y ago
Thanks for the downvote just because you don't want people to know the truth: all those "parts of the standard" that "make pages faster"? Don't do much at all. Bother to read TFA please - the average AMP page still loads in roughly 8.5 seconds on normal 3G. What makes them seem "fast" is Google preloading their content on the search results page and using Google's CDN to serve what remains. YOU are spreading misinformation and one might ask why.