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People don't care as much about a camera outside the house. They'd rather catch package thieves and car break-ins

by sylens 7y ago

autoexec 7y ago
I'm guessing they just haven't thought about how much a camera on their door tells others about them. How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be.
- criddell 7y ago
  > How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be. What's the downside of that? Is it worse than using a phone with lots of Google software on it?
  - autoexec 7y ago
    What's the downside to having a amazon camera in your bathroom or bedroom recording what you do? If you don't care at all about your privacy it doesn't matter. If you are concerned with the massive surveillance and data collection amazon and google does it would make sense to try and limit the amount of data you hand over to them. The idea that simply owning a cell phone invalidates any effort or incentive to try to keep the personal details of your life from any company ever is deeply flawed. We all make trade-offs and must decide for ourselves what amount of data we're comfortable handing over to companies who profit from surveillance capitalism. Personally, I can install a camera without giving amazon data about me. I can't get a cell phone that doesn't leak information to google or apple (although I can try to limit what I use my cell phone for and what data those devices leak)
    - criddell 7y ago
      I get that it means a loss of privacy but I'm asking what the downside of that is. Amazon and Google know lots about me and it doesn't feel like it's obviously bad. If I had a magic wand and could erase my data from those companies today how would my life be better tomorrow?
      - autoexec 7y ago
        It's true that it is hard to see the harm constant surveillance causes. The impacts it has on your life are so indirect that it's often impossible to trace, or to even know that it's happened. The data companies collect from you is sold to others who collect it and sell it in turn. Dossiers are constructed about you as an individual listing your specific traits, activities, political leanings, etc. You can't see what these companies have decided about you, how accurate it is, who has access to your data, how they are using it, how (or if) they are securing it. Sometimes when it comes back to bite you in the ass you'll know. your data will be leaked to the public internet, or you'll be a victim of identify theft. Other times, your life will be impacted but you won't know why. Maybe you don't get called back for an interview at a job you wanted, but you don't know it was because they didn't like something saw in a report from a data broker (you bought too much alcohol for example). Maybe your insurance rates go up next year, but you won't know it's because of how often you eat out. Maybe you can't get a table at the restaurant you wanted to eat at, or maybe you're paying $10 more for a product you buy online than your neighbor, maybe you just wait on a hold a little longer than others when you call customer service, but you won't know it's because you weren't rated highly enough on your secret "consumer score". The way the data companies collect can be used against you are myriad and subtle, but it's being done all the time, it's probably already impacted you. You just aren't allowed to know it.
      - austhrow743 7y ago
        It's not about tomorrow. It's about in X years when violent government oppression on some group or other starts up again. It's not making the assumption that your government is never going to be rounding people up for brainwashing/torture/gassing/etc ever again. When that happens, all the data these surveillance companies have is going to make the future gestapo downright gleeful.
throwaway-9320 7y ago
For someone based outside the US it feels so odd that the delivery services just leave the packages outside the house. Why not address that particular issue head-on instead of deploying a surveillance network to handle the consequences? Locked boxes at the house or going to the postal service to receive your package would get rid of most of the issues regarding package stealing, right?

People don't care as much about a camera outside the house. They'd rather catch package thieves and car break-ins

by sylens 7y ago

People don't care as much about a camera outside the house. They'd rather catch package thieves and car break-ins

I'm guessing they just haven't thought about how much a camera on their door tells others about them. How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be.

criddell 7y ago
> How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be. What's the downside of that? Is it worse than using a phone with lots of Google software on it?
- autoexec 7y ago
  What's the downside to having a amazon camera in your bathroom or bedroom recording what you do? If you don't care at all about your privacy it doesn't matter. If you are concerned with the massive surveillance and data collection amazon and google does it would make sense to try and limit the amount of data you hand over to them. The idea that simply owning a cell phone invalidates any effort or incentive to try to keep the personal details of your life from any company ever is deeply flawed. We all make trade-offs and must decide for ourselves what amount of data we're comfortable handing over to companies who profit from surveillance capitalism. Personally, I can install a camera without giving amazon data about me. I can't get a cell phone that doesn't leak information to google or apple (although I can try to limit what I use my cell phone for and what data those devices leak)
  - criddell 7y ago
    I get that it means a loss of privacy but I'm asking what the downside of that is. Amazon and Google know lots about me and it doesn't feel like it's obviously bad. If I had a magic wand and could erase my data from those companies today how would my life be better tomorrow?
    - autoexec 7y ago
      It's true that it is hard to see the harm constant surveillance causes. The impacts it has on your life are so indirect that it's often impossible to trace, or to even know that it's happened. The data companies collect from you is sold to others who collect it and sell it in turn. Dossiers are constructed about you as an individual listing your specific traits, activities, political leanings, etc. You can't see what these companies have decided about you, how accurate it is, who has access to your data, how they are using it, how (or if) they are securing it. Sometimes when it comes back to bite you in the ass you'll know. your data will be leaked to the public internet, or you'll be a victim of identify theft. Other times, your life will be impacted but you won't know why. Maybe you don't get called back for an interview at a job you wanted, but you don't know it was because they didn't like something saw in a report from a data broker (you bought too much alcohol for example). Maybe your insurance rates go up next year, but you won't know it's because of how often you eat out. Maybe you can't get a table at the restaurant you wanted to eat at, or maybe you're paying $10 more for a product you buy online than your neighbor, maybe you just wait on a hold a little longer than others when you call customer service, but you won't know it's because you weren't rated highly enough on your secret "consumer score". The way the data companies collect can be used against you are myriad and subtle, but it's being done all the time, it's probably already impacted you. You just aren't allowed to know it.
    - austhrow743 7y ago
      It's not about tomorrow. It's about in X years when violent government oppression on some group or other starts up again. It's not making the assumption that your government is never going to be rounding people up for brainwashing/torture/gassing/etc ever again. When that happens, all the data these surveillance companies have is going to make the future gestapo downright gleeful.

throwaway-9320 7y ago

For someone based outside the US it feels so odd that the delivery services just leave the packages outside the house. Why not address that particular issue head-on instead of deploying a surveillance network to handle the consequences? Locked boxes at the house or going to the postal service to receive your package would get rid of most of the issues regarding package stealing, right?