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It's staggering how little the average person on the street cares about these issues. My friend is a software dev and when I asked him why he got a Ring knowin

It's staggering how little the average person on the street cares about these issues. My friend is a software dev and when I asked him why he got a Ring knowing full well how intrusive the system could be, he shrugged and said "Well, can't be worse than my Alexa"

chung411 7y ago
"Pastor Troy Randall, who lives in northwest Baltimore, said that his neighborhood has been “held hostage” by drug sales and associated violence." This is people taking a trade off. Security for Privacy slider.
- homonculus1 7y ago
  No, it's convenience for privacy. There are plenty of ways to surveil your own home without networking the footage into police databases. It's just that you have to put a little effort in or pay someone else to set it up.
  - r00fus 7y ago
    For some people (dual income), it's more than convenience. As iPhone/AppStore proved, the trade off is time/skills. If you don't have the time or skills, and you wouldn't trust a local installer to set everything up right, you really don't have that option.
    - Nebasuke 7y ago
      I think this is indeed a key point often missed in the conversations here. Just because there's a better (privacy) alternative, it still requires a time investment to find one. The alternative will likely require another time/skill investment over the marketed product to actually install it. When you're in a situation where time is scarce, like dual income, kid, etc, you clearly are optimising for other things than privacy or even money spent.
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themagician 7y ago
The average person doesn't care about these issues because for the average person no issue exists. If you initially pitched Ring as a device that was directly connected to the local police department MORE people would buy it, not less. In the 90s, monitored home security was a booming business. The average person wanted it but couldn't afford it. People would pay thousands for an installation and thousands more per year to have someone monitor cameras and call the police if there was an issue.
sylens 7y ago
People don't care as much about a camera outside the house. They'd rather catch package thieves and car break-ins
- autoexec 7y ago
  I'm guessing they just haven't thought about how much a camera on their door tells others about them. How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be.
  - criddell 7y ago
    > How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be. What's the downside of that? Is it worse than using a phone with lots of Google software on it?
    - autoexec 7y ago
      What's the downside to having a amazon camera in your bathroom or bedroom recording what you do? If you don't care at all about your privacy it doesn't matter. If you are concerned with the massive surveillance and data collection amazon and google does it would make sense to try and limit the amount of data you hand over to them. The idea that simply owning a cell phone invalidates any effort or incentive to try to keep the personal details of your life from any company ever is deeply flawed. We all make trade-offs and must decide for ourselves what amount of data we're comfortable handing over to companies who profit from surveillance capitalism. Personally, I can install a camera without giving amazon data about me. I can't get a cell phone that doesn't leak information to google or apple (although I can try to limit what I use my cell phone for and what data those devices leak)
      - criddell 7y ago
multibit 7y ago
Many people actually think that connecting a Ring to the local police is a good thing. Someone even announced this as a great feature at our department wide standup the other day. Was kinda shocked, but how can I be the guy to go against having more safety? All everyone wants is more safety.
- UnFleshedOne 7y ago
  Next best alternative is automated turrets. Just have to get the image recognition right.

chung411 7y ago

"Pastor Troy Randall, who lives in northwest Baltimore, said that his neighborhood has been “held hostage” by drug sales and associated violence." This is people taking a trade off. Security for Privacy slider.

homonculus1 7y ago
No, it's convenience for privacy. There are plenty of ways to surveil your own home without networking the footage into police databases. It's just that you have to put a little effort in or pay someone else to set it up.
- r00fus 7y ago
  For some people (dual income), it's more than convenience. As iPhone/AppStore proved, the trade off is time/skills. If you don't have the time or skills, and you wouldn't trust a local installer to set everything up right, you really don't have that option.
  - Nebasuke 7y ago
    I think this is indeed a key point often missed in the conversations here. Just because there's a better (privacy) alternative, it still requires a time investment to find one. The alternative will likely require another time/skill investment over the marketed product to actually install it. When you're in a situation where time is scarce, like dual income, kid, etc, you clearly are optimising for other things than privacy or even money spent.
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themagician 7y ago

The average person doesn't care about these issues because for the average person no issue exists. If you initially pitched Ring as a device that was directly connected to the local police department MORE people would buy it, not less. In the 90s, monitored home security was a booming business. The average person wanted it but couldn't afford it. People would pay thousands for an installation and thousands more per year to have someone monitor cameras and call the police if there was an issue.

sylens 7y ago

People don't care as much about a camera outside the house. They'd rather catch package thieves and car break-ins

autoexec 7y ago
I'm guessing they just haven't thought about how much a camera on their door tells others about them. How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be.
- criddell 7y ago
  > How often they come and go, what they wear, who they are with, how often they order food, the age/race/sex of every person living there, etc. It's a massive look at their lives just as much as a camera in their living room would be. What's the downside of that? Is it worse than using a phone with lots of Google software on it?
  - autoexec 7y ago
    What's the downside to having a amazon camera in your bathroom or bedroom recording what you do? If you don't care at all about your privacy it doesn't matter. If you are concerned with the massive surveillance and data collection amazon and google does it would make sense to try and limit the amount of data you hand over to them. The idea that simply owning a cell phone invalidates any effort or incentive to try to keep the personal details of your life from any company ever is deeply flawed. We all make trade-offs and must decide for ourselves what amount of data we're comfortable handing over to companies who profit from surveillance capitalism. Personally, I can install a camera without giving amazon data about me. I can't get a cell phone that doesn't leak information to google or apple (although I can try to limit what I use my cell phone for and what data those devices leak)
    - criddell 7y ago

multibit 7y ago

Many people actually think that connecting a Ring to the local police is a good thing. Someone even announced this as a great feature at our department wide standup the other day. Was kinda shocked, but how can I be the guy to go against having more safety? All everyone wants is more safety.

UnFleshedOne 7y ago
Next best alternative is automated turrets. Just have to get the image recognition right.