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Similar to the linked story here: the US currently has a President with no political experience, who has also hired family members for prominent roles in the go

Similar to the linked story here: the US currently has a President with no political experience, who has also hired family members for prominent roles in the government.

EpicEng 7y ago
Yes... not sure how I missed that one
TMWNN 7y ago
>Similar to the linked story here Not at all. >the US currently has a President with no political experience Which is a) known to all and b) considered by supporters to be a virtue, as is often the case for those in public life in many countries. >who has also hired family members for prominent roles in the government. Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner are Senior Advisors to the President, which are by definition positions whose main/only qualifications are "the President trusts them". Like her father, these two aren't paid a salary.[1] Every US president since Washington, and every human leader since Ugg became chief caveman of the Grugg tribe, has had advisors that he trusts as much as (and, usually, more than) those with official titles below him. A common term for such for presidents is the Kitchen Cabinet.[2] Sometimes the Kitchen Cabinet gets titles to formalize their access to the advisee. In the US that's Senior Advisor to the President; in the UK it's Special Adviser to the Prime Minister;[3] in many countries it's Minister without Portfolio. [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/30/trump-white-house-salaries-240149 https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/30/trump-white-house-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_adviser_(UK) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_adviser_(UK) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_without_Portfolio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_without_Portfolio
- EpicEng 7y ago
  When one of your 'advisors' is charged with making peace in the middle east (among other ridiculous responsibilities), is he really an advisor? Was Ivanka acting in an advisory role when she hosted meetings at the UN? C'mon.
  - TMWNN 7y ago
    >When one of your 'advisors' is charged with making peace in the middle east (among other ridiculous responsibilities), is he really an advisor? Was Ivanka acting in an advisory role when she hosted meetings at the UN? Kushner is the point man for the Middle East because Trump's attitude is that professional, full-time diplomats have consistently failed for 40 years, so why not try someone different? One of the prerequisites for such a role, arguably the most important one, is that both sides the envoy is mediating for know that said envoy has the president's trust. As for his wife, again, there are no formal classes on "hosting meetings at the UN" at the Kennedy School or SIPA or Georgetown SFS, nor is there a "hosting meetings about women's rights at the UN" job description at State or anywhere in the executive branch (the existing US delegation to the UN's responsibilities are different). She either does a good job, or she doesn't and Trump sends someone else. Given that Ivanka has now performed the role over multiple years, apparently her father approves of how she's done.
    - EpicEng 7y ago
      So, in other words, "because Trump thinks it's ok, it's ok." You could have saved a lot of typing. Everything you said is utterly preposterous. Physycists have failed to come up with a GUT for quite some time now. Should Jared be in charge of that as well? Perhaps Ivanka could do a university tour to shake things up a bit. What progress have either of these two made on any front exactly? How's the experiment going, objectively? Because what I see is an almost completely ineffective foreign policy strategy and a bunch of appointees whose only real qualifications are being born to wealthy parents.
      - TMWNN 7y ago
        >So, in other words, "because Trump thinks it's ok, it's ok." You could have saved a lot of typing. Yes, for these sorts of positions, "because [president] thinks it's OK, it's OK" is the criteria Trump and all of his predecessors have used. If you don't believe me, feel free to try to find a formal, defined qualification for "informal presidential envoy to hopefully get some/any progress done in an area no progress has occurred in four decades", or "host of some meetings at the UN for women's rights and other such causes". I'll wait. The only difference is that in these cases the envoy happens to be related to the president as opposed to say, an old college roommate (Example: Kenneth O'Donnell, whom Kevin Costner portrayed in Thirteen Days), or law school buddy (twenty for Obama early in his administration [1]). [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/school-buds-20-harvard-classmates-advising-obama-016224 https://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/school-buds-20-harvar... It's quite different from ... >Everything you said is utterly preposterous. Physycists have failed to come up with a GUT for quite some time now. Should Jared be in charge of that as well? Something like this, for which there is, in fact, a formal, defined criteria. The fact that you made such a ridiculous and obviously inapt comparison shows how desperate you are.

Similar to the linked story here: the US currently has a President with no political experience, who has also hired family members for prominent roles in the government.

EpicEng 7y ago

Yes... not sure how I missed that one

TMWNN 7y ago

>Similar to the linked story here Not at all. >the US currently has a President with no political experience Which is a) known to all and b) considered by supporters to be a virtue, as is often the case for those in public life in many countries. >who has also hired family members for prominent roles in the government. Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner are Senior Advisors to the President, which are by definition positions whose main/only qualifications are "the President trusts them". Like her father, these two aren't paid a salary.[1] Every US president since Washington, and every human leader since Ugg became chief caveman of the Grugg tribe, has had advisors that he trusts as much as (and, usually, more than) those with official titles below him. A common term for such for presidents is the Kitchen Cabinet.[2] Sometimes the Kitchen Cabinet gets titles to formalize their access to the advisee. In the US that's Senior Advisor to the President; in the UK it's Special Adviser to the Prime Minister;[3] in many countries it's Minister without Portfolio. [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/30/trump-white-house-salaries-240149 https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/30/trump-white-house-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Cabinet [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_adviser_(UK) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_adviser_(UK) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_without_Portfolio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_without_Portfolio

EpicEng 7y ago
When one of your 'advisors' is charged with making peace in the middle east (among other ridiculous responsibilities), is he really an advisor? Was Ivanka acting in an advisory role when she hosted meetings at the UN? C'mon.
- TMWNN 7y ago
  >When one of your 'advisors' is charged with making peace in the middle east (among other ridiculous responsibilities), is he really an advisor? Was Ivanka acting in an advisory role when she hosted meetings at the UN? Kushner is the point man for the Middle East because Trump's attitude is that professional, full-time diplomats have consistently failed for 40 years, so why not try someone different? One of the prerequisites for such a role, arguably the most important one, is that both sides the envoy is mediating for know that said envoy has the president's trust. As for his wife, again, there are no formal classes on "hosting meetings at the UN" at the Kennedy School or SIPA or Georgetown SFS, nor is there a "hosting meetings about women's rights at the UN" job description at State or anywhere in the executive branch (the existing US delegation to the UN's responsibilities are different). She either does a good job, or she doesn't and Trump sends someone else. Given that Ivanka has now performed the role over multiple years, apparently her father approves of how she's done.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    So, in other words, "because Trump thinks it's ok, it's ok." You could have saved a lot of typing. Everything you said is utterly preposterous. Physycists have failed to come up with a GUT for quite some time now. Should Jared be in charge of that as well? Perhaps Ivanka could do a university tour to shake things up a bit. What progress have either of these two made on any front exactly? How's the experiment going, objectively? Because what I see is an almost completely ineffective foreign policy strategy and a bunch of appointees whose only real qualifications are being born to wealthy parents.
    - TMWNN 7y ago
      >So, in other words, "because Trump thinks it's ok, it's ok." You could have saved a lot of typing. Yes, for these sorts of positions, "because [president] thinks it's OK, it's OK" is the criteria Trump and all of his predecessors have used. If you don't believe me, feel free to try to find a formal, defined qualification for "informal presidential envoy to hopefully get some/any progress done in an area no progress has occurred in four decades", or "host of some meetings at the UN for women's rights and other such causes". I'll wait. The only difference is that in these cases the envoy happens to be related to the president as opposed to say, an old college roommate (Example: Kenneth O'Donnell, whom Kevin Costner portrayed in Thirteen Days), or law school buddy (twenty for Obama early in his administration [1]). [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/school-buds-20-harvard-classmates-advising-obama-016224 https://www.politico.com/story/2008/12/school-buds-20-harvar... It's quite different from ... >Everything you said is utterly preposterous. Physycists have failed to come up with a GUT for quite some time now. Should Jared be in charge of that as well? Something like this, for which there is, in fact, a formal, defined criteria. The fact that you made such a ridiculous and obviously inapt comparison shows how desperate you are.