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Shouldn't be an issue then since ICE doesn't operate concentration camps.

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• ryandrake 7y ago
  Depends on how you want to split hairs. If your organization (in this case, ICE) is at the point where people are arguing technicalities about whether what you’re doing technically qualifies as a concentration camp, I’d argue you are far from where you should be ethically.
  • jariel 7y ago
    There is no 'splitting hairs'; to compare migrants in detention seeking to come into the country as 'concentration camps' is not only wrong, it's deeply insulting. ICE detention is just plainly that, and that's all. Some conditions are poor because facilities are overflowing, not because they are designed that way. Most migrants are economic in nature, there's no pressing need for them to try to cross, and they know it's illegal - moreover - all of those economic migrants clog up the system to the detriment of actual refugees. Of course, the migrants can leave any time - there's a policy in place such that they can chose to return home without having any mark on their record with respect to future ability to migrate to the US, and it's processed generally quickly, within several days. There is really no comparison at all between those detained trying to enter a country, and 'concentration camps' - in terms of motivations, lawfulness, conditions, effects, legal recourse, fallout, etc. - they are in every way different. The PRC camps in China could be referred to as 'concentration camps' because people are arbitrary detained on the basis of their culture, for any duration, they don't have legal recourse, they cannot leave, there is no judicial oversight, there is no freedom of information or freedom of press, they are not allowed any contact with the outside world, and they are put through some very aggressive 'thought control' programs that in many ways is worse than physical torture or confinement. To boot, the system itself is corrupt and prisoners organs are being sold through irregular channels.
  • leereeves 7y ago
    If ICE facilities qualify as concentration camps, then so does every prison. At that point it's no longer a useful term. Except politically, of course, which is why terms like that are abused so often.
    • claudeganon 7y ago
      The only abuse of terms is by people who have difficulty or confronting the political and moral reality of what's happening. Holocaust scholars have already said that drawing these parallels in these specific circumstances is needed to prevent a reprisal of violence and genocide: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/07/01/an-open-letter-to-the-director-of-the-holocaust-memorial-museum/?fbclid=IwAR1AoKWPKzbxZfxd8ia48BuBjDfbyerfRizy7SZziGGWqnCShfUQ8LFZjyY https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/07/01/an-open-letter-to-t...
      • leereeves 7y ago
        You've really gone off the rails if you think enforcing immigration law, as all countries do and the US has done for decades, is going to lead to genocide.
        • claudeganon 7y ago
          Sorry, but you’re not going to succeed in gaslighting anyone with these kinds of clearly dishonest talking points. It’s obvious to anyone not entirely lost to right-wing ideology that the Trump administration is built on scapegoating immigrants and targeting them for violence. If you don’t think that has consequences or historical precedent, you’re either oblivious or onboard with all the malice and horror.
          • leereeves 7y ago
            You're clearly here to "gaslight" people with extreme rhetoric and hostility, not facts and reason, so I'll simply wish you a wonderful life.
      • LiNeXT 7y ago