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> Amazon was touting injury rates around 3-4 in fulfillment centers Amazon's response sort of touches on this, saying they've pushed for recording every incide

> Amazon was touting injury rates around 3-4 in fulfillment centers Amazon's response sort of touches on this, saying they've pushed for recording every incident, big or small. 3-4 could be from underreporting or from better working conditions (or both).

hurxnid 7y ago
Companies do that to muddy the waters while also pushing policy that punishes people for reporting “real” injuries. Also these are lost time accidents. They could not have been previously hidden.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  They could via a policy that quietly fires people who are too poor to afford a lawyer when they're injured on the job.
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- grandmczeb 7y ago
  Lost time or job restrictions. It could be true that Amazon is more aggressive about restricting work after an injury resulting in more reports.
arkades 7y ago
> The figures also show a "shockingly high" number of severe injuries at JFK8, Kearl said. According to the report, workers whose injuries were logged by Amazon were each forced to miss an average of 64.04 days of employment.
jellicle 7y ago
But Amazon's response is bullshit. The data is from government stats, and the reporting threshold is the same as it ever was (basically, if an employee is admitted to the hospital): https://www.osha.gov/report.html https://www.osha.gov/report.html Amazon's PR people are pretending the high numbers are because they are reporting papercuts, but papercuts would be rejected for the government stats. This is "severe injury or death" reporting only. "According to the report, workers whose injuries were logged by Amazon were each forced to miss an average of 64.04 days of employment." Does that sound like papercuts? An average of three months off work, if they even return?
- Pfhreak 7y ago
  Sorry, I agree with you. I think the 15 represents the truthful amount of serious injuries. I'm saying the 3-4 was likely underreported to some degree for whatever reason.
- grandmczeb 7y ago
  > The data is from government stats, and the reporting threshold is the same as it ever was (basically, if an employee is admitted to the hospital) This is wrong. It's from an analysis of Amazon's own incident logs that OSHA requires companies to keep (OSHA form 300A[1].) The government doesn't "reject" incidents from these logs. Additionally, a recordable injury is any of the following[2] - Any work-related fatality. - Any work-related injury or illness that results in loss of consciousness, days away from work, restricted work, or transfer to another job. - Any work-related injury or illness requiring medical treatment beyond first aid. - Any work-related diagnosed case of cancer, chronic irreversible diseases, fractured or cracked bones or teeth, and punctured eardrums. - There are also special recording criteria for work-related cases involving: needlesticks and sharps injuries; medical removal; hearing loss; and tuberculosis. That's very different than "severe injury or death" only. [1] https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/new-osha300form1-1-04-FormsOnly.pdf https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/new-osha300form1-1-04-For... [2] https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/

hurxnid 7y ago

Companies do that to muddy the waters while also pushing policy that punishes people for reporting “real” injuries. Also these are lost time accidents. They could not have been previously hidden.

shadowgovt 7y ago
They could via a policy that quietly fires people who are too poor to afford a lawyer when they're injured on the job.
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grandmczeb 7y ago
Lost time or job restrictions. It could be true that Amazon is more aggressive about restricting work after an injury resulting in more reports.

arkades 7y ago

> The figures also show a "shockingly high" number of severe injuries at JFK8, Kearl said. According to the report, workers whose injuries were logged by Amazon were each forced to miss an average of 64.04 days of employment.

jellicle 7y ago

But Amazon's response is bullshit. The data is from government stats, and the reporting threshold is the same as it ever was (basically, if an employee is admitted to the hospital): https://www.osha.gov/report.html https://www.osha.gov/report.html Amazon's PR people are pretending the high numbers are because they are reporting papercuts, but papercuts would be rejected for the government stats. This is "severe injury or death" reporting only. "According to the report, workers whose injuries were logged by Amazon were each forced to miss an average of 64.04 days of employment." Does that sound like papercuts? An average of three months off work, if they even return?

Pfhreak 7y ago
Sorry, I agree with you. I think the 15 represents the truthful amount of serious injuries. I'm saying the 3-4 was likely underreported to some degree for whatever reason.
grandmczeb 7y ago
> The data is from government stats, and the reporting threshold is the same as it ever was (basically, if an employee is admitted to the hospital) This is wrong. It's from an analysis of Amazon's own incident logs that OSHA requires companies to keep (OSHA form 300A[1].) The government doesn't "reject" incidents from these logs. Additionally, a recordable injury is any of the following[2] - Any work-related fatality. - Any work-related injury or illness that results in loss of consciousness, days away from work, restricted work, or transfer to another job. - Any work-related injury or illness requiring medical treatment beyond first aid. - Any work-related diagnosed case of cancer, chronic irreversible diseases, fractured or cracked bones or teeth, and punctured eardrums. - There are also special recording criteria for work-related cases involving: needlesticks and sharps injuries; medical removal; hearing loss; and tuberculosis. That's very different than "severe injury or death" only. [1] https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/new-osha300form1-1-04-FormsOnly.pdf https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/new-osha300form1-1-04-For... [2] https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/