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>and web developers are not against lean websites Of course no one is _against_ good performance, but web devs obviously don't care enough to do anything about

>and web developers are not against lean websites Of course no one is _against_ good performance, but web devs obviously don't care enough to do anything about it. There's no practical difference between the two.

dessant 7y ago
Most web developers do make fairly lean websites, but that is not enough when ads and a dozen tracking scripts which in part are supplied by Google are slapped over their work.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  It's a bad idea to just slap AdSense and analytics in a page. If they're a requirement then they need to be properly integrated and thought about. It can be done properly but nobody really does. FYI Personal opinion not Google's.
- xvector 7y ago
  Which is completely 100% irrelevant from the end-user perspective. Just to be clear, I hate AMP, but I also feel a sort of pleasurable vindication in the pain that developers and companies must now go through because of the horrendously slow trackers and ads they used to fill their pages with.
  - dessant 7y ago
    Google could restrict the content loaded in AdSense iframes and apply AMP restrictions to ad content only. They also have the means to limit the number of ads partners can load on a page, and restrict the overzealous use of Google Tag Manager which slows down sites. Google offers both the poison and the antidote, and each of their solutions, see what they're doing with request blocking in Chrome, happens to erode user liberties and privacy rights to concentrate power around Google properties.
e_proxus 7y ago
Page rank would make them care. Can't understand why Google didn't just down rank heavy pages...
- haroldp 7y ago
  It absolutely does. Improving your page speed (or google's idea of your page speed) is a critical step in optimizing a site's organic google search ranking.
  - e_proxus 7y ago
    Which means AMP actually has very little to do with "performance".
- silexia 7y ago
  Why do people feel the need to "fight back against Google"? Should their actual fighting energy be going to fighting dictatorships around the world and torture by the CIA? Priorities are really messed up.
  - e_proxus 7y ago
    Why not both?
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  Why not even let people decide if they want page size and loading speed into acocunt, or if they want their search query to be second-guessed or literal, etc.
vile_wretch 7y ago
Web devs care but efficiency is expensive and clients don't want to pay for it.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  No it's not. We're not talking about squeezing every last ounce of performance out of the CPU and hand tuning every query. Just stop bloating your pages with 10,000 dependencies and awful JS frameworks and pretending everything needs to be a SPA.

dessant 7y ago

Most web developers do make fairly lean websites, but that is not enough when ads and a dozen tracking scripts which in part are supplied by Google are slapped over their work.

cameronbrown 7y ago
It's a bad idea to just slap AdSense and analytics in a page. If they're a requirement then they need to be properly integrated and thought about. It can be done properly but nobody really does. FYI Personal opinion not Google's.
xvector 7y ago
Which is completely 100% irrelevant from the end-user perspective. Just to be clear, I hate AMP, but I also feel a sort of pleasurable vindication in the pain that developers and companies must now go through because of the horrendously slow trackers and ads they used to fill their pages with.
- dessant 7y ago
  Google could restrict the content loaded in AdSense iframes and apply AMP restrictions to ad content only. They also have the means to limit the number of ads partners can load on a page, and restrict the overzealous use of Google Tag Manager which slows down sites. Google offers both the poison and the antidote, and each of their solutions, see what they're doing with request blocking in Chrome, happens to erode user liberties and privacy rights to concentrate power around Google properties.

e_proxus 7y ago

Page rank would make them care. Can't understand why Google didn't just down rank heavy pages...

haroldp 7y ago
It absolutely does. Improving your page speed (or google's idea of your page speed) is a critical step in optimizing a site's organic google search ranking.
- e_proxus 7y ago
  Which means AMP actually has very little to do with "performance".
silexia 7y ago
Why do people feel the need to "fight back against Google"? Should their actual fighting energy be going to fighting dictatorships around the world and torture by the CIA? Priorities are really messed up.
- e_proxus 7y ago
  Why not both?
PavlovsCat 7y ago
Why not even let people decide if they want page size and loading speed into acocunt, or if they want their search query to be second-guessed or literal, etc.

vile_wretch 7y ago

Web devs care but efficiency is expensive and clients don't want to pay for it.

EpicEng 7y ago
No it's not. We're not talking about squeezing every last ounce of performance out of the CPU and hand tuning every query. Just stop bloating your pages with 10,000 dependencies and awful JS frameworks and pretending everything needs to be a SPA.