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It makes some small difference in ICE's reputation, maybe a dent in public opinion. If ICE are treated as a pariah by mainstream commercial institutions it may

It makes some small difference in ICE's reputation, maybe a dent in public opinion. If ICE are treated as a pariah by mainstream commercial institutions it may counteract the "normalization" of what they do. Github is large and pretty well known. Their choice, either way, will set an example.

_-david-_ 7y ago
It would put more of a dent in Github's reputation. Why would you go with a company that may pull your contract when you haven't changed what you do in 20 years? Github signed the contact knowing what ICE does and didn't care years ago. Now its suddenly an issue.
- minimuffins 7y ago
  ICE has changed what it does in the last 20 years as others have pointed out. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21706133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21706133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704192 I doubt anyone really thinks ICE in 2003 is actually the same as ICE in 2019. Not anyone who's paying any attention.
  - _-david-_ 7y ago
    I was not talking about specific cases / abuses. I was talking about policy. ICE patrolled the border. ICE stopped people illegally crossing the border. ICE jailed people suspected of crossing the border. ICE separated children. Nothing has changed in that regards. The other issue is that the posts don't say if things are actually getting better. For example the first claim is "The Intercept published a report by the DHS Office of Inspector General revealing that 1,224 sexual abuse complaints while in immigration custody were filed between January 2010 and June 2017." We need to see the rates before 2010 or we need to see the rate for each year. Based on what that person posted we cannot draw any conclusions if things are actually improving or not. If things are improving then people shouldn't really be boycotting.

_-david-_ 7y ago

It would put more of a dent in Github's reputation. Why would you go with a company that may pull your contract when you haven't changed what you do in 20 years? Github signed the contact knowing what ICE does and didn't care years ago. Now its suddenly an issue.

minimuffins 7y ago
ICE has changed what it does in the last 20 years as others have pointed out. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21706133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21706133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704192 I doubt anyone really thinks ICE in 2003 is actually the same as ICE in 2019. Not anyone who's paying any attention.
- _-david-_ 7y ago
  I was not talking about specific cases / abuses. I was talking about policy. ICE patrolled the border. ICE stopped people illegally crossing the border. ICE jailed people suspected of crossing the border. ICE separated children. Nothing has changed in that regards. The other issue is that the posts don't say if things are actually getting better. For example the first claim is "The Intercept published a report by the DHS Office of Inspector General revealing that 1,224 sexual abuse complaints while in immigration custody were filed between January 2010 and June 2017." We need to see the rates before 2010 or we need to see the rate for each year. Based on what that person posted we cannot draw any conclusions if things are actually improving or not. If things are improving then people shouldn't really be boycotting.