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If ICE simply did their job in a humane but effective fashion, I think conversation around the agency would be far different. However, the agency has - in the

If ICE simply did their job in a humane but effective fashion, I think conversation around the agency would be far different. However, the agency has - in the course of their duties - committed horrible acts that fly in the face of what Americans claim to value. They continue to do so, and the "Dear Github" letter linked in the article outlines them: https://github.com/drop-ice/dear-github-2.0/ https://github.com/drop-ice/dear-github-2.0/ The problem isn't simply that they're enforcing immigration law. It's _how_ they're doing it.

chance_state 7y ago
> The problem isn't simply that they're enforcing immigration law. It's _how_ they're doing it. This may be your perspective, but I can assure you that the desire for open borders and "Abolish[ing] ICE" are very real among liberals in America. There's an example in this very thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704157 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704157
- kaibee 7y ago
  > the desire for open borders and "Abolish[ing] ICE" are very real among liberals in America. Yes, abolishing ICE will take us back to the pre-borders time of... checks notes March 1st, 2003.
downerending 7y ago
Re "horrible acts", this doesn't sound likely, considering the general lack of documentation or bipartisan outrage. Do you have a preferred link with a stolid, well-documented account of the worst abuses?
- drewbug01 7y ago
  The articles linked in the "Dear Github" letter should suffice to answer your question.
- openasocket 7y ago
  This biggest one for me is this: https://www.aclu.org/cases/damus-v-mcaleenan https://www.aclu.org/cases/damus-v-mcaleenan . ICE's position is that they should be able to detain all people who are legally petitioning for asylum without any bail hearings.
  - culot 7y ago
    So if you don't detain them you do what then? Let them roam free? Considering the amount of fraud related to asylum claims, with entire legal entities dedicated to coaching aliens to provide fake testimony, letting them roam free is a definite risk for citizens. Especially as they are coming from one of the most violent warlord-controlled warzones in the hemisphere.
    - zo1 7y ago
      This whole problem could be precluded by doing a few simple steps: 1. Build a wall to control flow. 2. Allow anyone to come to the border and seek asylum. 3. Have enough humane beds/housing to store them at the border while their application is processed. 4. Hire enough officials and judges to process all claims timeously. 5. Fingerprint, photograph and document anyone that applies. 6. Turn away all individuals that re-apply without new evidence and attempt to clog the system by creating too much load. Oh and 7: If they come as a family, let them stay together under monitoring. And corollary to 7 would be 8: Do DNA tests on all family groups to affirm family status to prevent trafficking At this point, if no hiccups arise, the wall is only necessary for those that wish to bypass a well-functioning system designed to treat people humanely and allow them to get refuge if they are being persecuted. Edit: fixed formatting.
  - LiNeXT 7y ago
    Just because someone petitions for asylum doesn't mean they have a valid claim to it. If your position is that anyone claiming asylum should not be detained, how do you propose to differentiate between valid and invalid claims such as to sort out who should and shouldn't be detained?
    - 7y ago
microcolonel 7y ago
> If ICE simply did their job in a humane but effective fashion, I think conversation around the agency would be far different. Somehow I doubt that. There was that whole "being made to drink out of toilets" fiasco, in which the activist (I forget who it was) was the best kind of correct: technically [0]. [0]: https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/67/06/17789330/5/920x920.jpg https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/67/06/17789330/5/920x920.jp...
- _-david-_ 7y ago
  Drinking out of toilets was not accurate. There was a pipe that went to a drinking fountain and the drain of the drinking fountain went into the input pipe of the toilet. The toilet had drinking water. The drinking water was not toilet water.

chance_state 7y ago

> The problem isn't simply that they're enforcing immigration law. It's _how_ they're doing it. This may be your perspective, but I can assure you that the desire for open borders and "Abolish[ing] ICE" are very real among liberals in America. There's an example in this very thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704157 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21704157

kaibee 7y ago
> the desire for open borders and "Abolish[ing] ICE" are very real among liberals in America. Yes, abolishing ICE will take us back to the pre-borders time of... checks notes March 1st, 2003.

downerending 7y ago

Re "horrible acts", this doesn't sound likely, considering the general lack of documentation or bipartisan outrage. Do you have a preferred link with a stolid, well-documented account of the worst abuses?

drewbug01 7y ago
The articles linked in the "Dear Github" letter should suffice to answer your question.
openasocket 7y ago
This biggest one for me is this: https://www.aclu.org/cases/damus-v-mcaleenan https://www.aclu.org/cases/damus-v-mcaleenan . ICE's position is that they should be able to detain all people who are legally petitioning for asylum without any bail hearings.
- culot 7y ago
  So if you don't detain them you do what then? Let them roam free? Considering the amount of fraud related to asylum claims, with entire legal entities dedicated to coaching aliens to provide fake testimony, letting them roam free is a definite risk for citizens. Especially as they are coming from one of the most violent warlord-controlled warzones in the hemisphere.
  - zo1 7y ago
    This whole problem could be precluded by doing a few simple steps: 1. Build a wall to control flow. 2. Allow anyone to come to the border and seek asylum. 3. Have enough humane beds/housing to store them at the border while their application is processed. 4. Hire enough officials and judges to process all claims timeously. 5. Fingerprint, photograph and document anyone that applies. 6. Turn away all individuals that re-apply without new evidence and attempt to clog the system by creating too much load. Oh and 7: If they come as a family, let them stay together under monitoring. And corollary to 7 would be 8: Do DNA tests on all family groups to affirm family status to prevent trafficking At this point, if no hiccups arise, the wall is only necessary for those that wish to bypass a well-functioning system designed to treat people humanely and allow them to get refuge if they are being persecuted. Edit: fixed formatting.
- LiNeXT 7y ago
  Just because someone petitions for asylum doesn't mean they have a valid claim to it. If your position is that anyone claiming asylum should not be detained, how do you propose to differentiate between valid and invalid claims such as to sort out who should and shouldn't be detained?
  - 7y ago

microcolonel 7y ago

> If ICE simply did their job in a humane but effective fashion, I think conversation around the agency would be far different. Somehow I doubt that. There was that whole "being made to drink out of toilets" fiasco, in which the activist (I forget who it was) was the best kind of correct: technically [0]. [0]: https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/67/06/17789330/5/920x920.jpg https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/67/06/17789330/5/920x920.jp...

_-david-_ 7y ago
Drinking out of toilets was not accurate. There was a pipe that went to a drinking fountain and the drain of the drinking fountain went into the input pipe of the toilet. The toilet had drinking water. The drinking water was not toilet water.