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"In a fact sheet circulating within GitHub, employees opposing the ICE contract wrote that the GitHub sales team actively pursued the contract renewal with ICE.

"In a fact sheet circulating within GitHub, employees opposing the ICE contract wrote that the GitHub sales team actively pursued the contract renewal with ICE. The Times reviewed screenshots of an internal Slack channel after the contract was renewed on Sept. 4 that appear to show sales employees celebrating a $56,000 upgrade of the contract with ICE. The message, which congratulated four employees for the sale and was accompanied by emojis of a siren, bald eagle and American flag, read “stay out of their way. $56k upgrade at DHS ICE.” Five people responded with an American flag emoji." https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2019-10-31/github-ice-contract-defense https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2019-10-31... Doesn't sound very apolitical.

LiNeXT 7y ago
This is how enterprise sales are done.
- minimuffins 7y ago
  I don't care.
  - LiNeXT 7y ago
    You don't? Then why are you commenting here?
  - lykr0n 7y ago
    that's a good way to get people to care about the points you're making.
    - minimuffins 7y ago
      The main point is clear. The way that Github, a big, influential tech company owned by an even bigger more influential tech company, decides to align itself with ICE, is inherently political, regardless of "how enterprise sales works."
      - LiNeXT 7y ago
        Selling a piece of enterprise software != alignment. It's a sale, nothing more.
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  If Blizzard can be panned for its enterprise-style move to strip winnings from pro-HK messaging tournament winner in order to better ameliorate itself to a large potential consumer base, why isn’t GitHub allowed to be panned for its enterprise moves in pursuing sales with an organization that is embroiled in political scandal?
  - LiNeXT 7y ago
    There is a vast difference between selling software to your own government for their use and directly, actively, and punitively screwing with an individual a foreign government doesn't like.
    - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
      It was done in order to continue friendly relations with a potential client base. Wasn’t Amazons Ring panned for giving data to the police? Don’t we have a thread on the front page right now about Google giving personal data to the DoJ?
      - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
        > It was done in order to continue friendly relations with a potential client base The analogous action for GitHub to Blizzard’s would be booting a user ICE doesn't like to maintain friendly ties with the latter. That hasn't happened.
        SolaceQuantum 7y ago
        Didn’t GitLab do this?
        input_sh 7y ago
        As far as I know, not quite. GitLab modified their customer acceptance so that it gives them an option to refuse a client, saying that they will reach such a decision on a case-by-case basis: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/32614/diffs https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/... ...while Chef's CEO openly said that they will not renew their contract with ICE and CBP, as well as to donate the equivalent revenue of their current contracts to charities that help people impacted: https://blog.chef.io/an-important-update-from-chef/ https://blog.chef.io/an-important-update-from-chef/ > After deep introspection and dialog within Chef, we will not renew our current contracts with ICE and CBP when they expire over the next year. Chef will fulfill our full obligations under the current contracts.
cmcd 7y ago
Sounds like typical banter after securing a sale. In the same way people might use the wine bottle emoji when closing a deal with a brewery.
- minimuffins 7y ago
  I agree. The banality of the way the company handles its relations with such a grotesque organization is pretty chilling.
  - throwaway520215 7y ago
    Grotesque organization? I wasn't aware they contracted with MS-13 and the Sinaloa Cartel.
- claudeganon 7y ago
  Maybe the problem is also normalizing violence against migrants to the point where you’re celebrating sales to their persecutors with patriotic emojis.
  - remarkEon 7y ago
    There is not a universal right to come to the United States. At some point your argument degrades into “everyone gets to come here and if you enforce or what enforced the existing law you’re [insert -ist here]”. It’s an effective rhetorical payload, I’ll give you that, but it is completely divorced from any kind of system of state sovereignty and integrity. In a way I agree with you, because “enforcing the law” really is “normalized violence” - philosophically speaking, since it’s the State that has the guns (or most of them).
    - claudeganon 7y ago
      Nor is there some universal standard or determination about who is allowed in. That’s entirely determined by who has power and how they choose to interpret the law or even adhere to it and what degree of violence they use in doing do. In the case of the current administration, that’s stripping children from their parents, keeping people in dangerous, overcrowded, disease-ridden conditions, allowing people to profit off this incarceration, and just generally deploying racist and genocidal rhetoric in doing so. People aren’t objecting to some abstract notion of enforcing laws, they’re objecting to how power is operating to do demonstrably vile and unnecessary to things migrants with the framework of “enforcement” as an excuse. Rule of law doesn’t exist outside of how it is materially made manifest.
qxnqd 7y ago
>accompanied by emojis of a siren, bald eagle and American flag [...] Five people responded with an American flag emoji. Wow man. An American flag. Why aren't these people in prison?
whateveracct 7y ago
> stay out of their way that's some authoritarian nonsense

LiNeXT 7y ago

This is how enterprise sales are done.

minimuffins 7y ago
I don't care.
- LiNeXT 7y ago
  You don't? Then why are you commenting here?
- lykr0n 7y ago
  that's a good way to get people to care about the points you're making.
  - minimuffins 7y ago
    The main point is clear. The way that Github, a big, influential tech company owned by an even bigger more influential tech company, decides to align itself with ICE, is inherently political, regardless of "how enterprise sales works."
    - LiNeXT 7y ago
      Selling a piece of enterprise software != alignment. It's a sale, nothing more.
SolaceQuantum 7y ago
If Blizzard can be panned for its enterprise-style move to strip winnings from pro-HK messaging tournament winner in order to better ameliorate itself to a large potential consumer base, why isn’t GitHub allowed to be panned for its enterprise moves in pursuing sales with an organization that is embroiled in political scandal?
- LiNeXT 7y ago
  There is a vast difference between selling software to your own government for their use and directly, actively, and punitively screwing with an individual a foreign government doesn't like.
  - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
    It was done in order to continue friendly relations with a potential client base. Wasn’t Amazons Ring panned for giving data to the police? Don’t we have a thread on the front page right now about Google giving personal data to the DoJ?
    - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
      > It was done in order to continue friendly relations with a potential client base The analogous action for GitHub to Blizzard’s would be booting a user ICE doesn't like to maintain friendly ties with the latter. That hasn't happened.
      - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
        Didn’t GitLab do this?
        input_sh 7y ago
        As far as I know, not quite. GitLab modified their customer acceptance so that it gives them an option to refuse a client, saying that they will reach such a decision on a case-by-case basis: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/32614/diffs https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/merge_requests/... ...while Chef's CEO openly said that they will not renew their contract with ICE and CBP, as well as to donate the equivalent revenue of their current contracts to charities that help people impacted: https://blog.chef.io/an-important-update-from-chef/ https://blog.chef.io/an-important-update-from-chef/ > After deep introspection and dialog within Chef, we will not renew our current contracts with ICE and CBP when they expire over the next year. Chef will fulfill our full obligations under the current contracts.

cmcd 7y ago

Sounds like typical banter after securing a sale. In the same way people might use the wine bottle emoji when closing a deal with a brewery.

minimuffins 7y ago
I agree. The banality of the way the company handles its relations with such a grotesque organization is pretty chilling.
- throwaway520215 7y ago
  Grotesque organization? I wasn't aware they contracted with MS-13 and the Sinaloa Cartel.
claudeganon 7y ago
Maybe the problem is also normalizing violence against migrants to the point where you’re celebrating sales to their persecutors with patriotic emojis.
- remarkEon 7y ago
  There is not a universal right to come to the United States. At some point your argument degrades into “everyone gets to come here and if you enforce or what enforced the existing law you’re [insert -ist here]”. It’s an effective rhetorical payload, I’ll give you that, but it is completely divorced from any kind of system of state sovereignty and integrity. In a way I agree with you, because “enforcing the law” really is “normalized violence” - philosophically speaking, since it’s the State that has the guns (or most of them).
  - claudeganon 7y ago
    Nor is there some universal standard or determination about who is allowed in. That’s entirely determined by who has power and how they choose to interpret the law or even adhere to it and what degree of violence they use in doing do. In the case of the current administration, that’s stripping children from their parents, keeping people in dangerous, overcrowded, disease-ridden conditions, allowing people to profit off this incarceration, and just generally deploying racist and genocidal rhetoric in doing so. People aren’t objecting to some abstract notion of enforcing laws, they’re objecting to how power is operating to do demonstrably vile and unnecessary to things migrants with the framework of “enforcement” as an excuse. Rule of law doesn’t exist outside of how it is materially made manifest.

qxnqd 7y ago

>accompanied by emojis of a siren, bald eagle and American flag [...] Five people responded with an American flag emoji. Wow man. An American flag. Why aren't these people in prison?

whateveracct 7y ago

> stay out of their way that's some authoritarian nonsense