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How many average people are walking around saying "I've quit the web! It's too slow!"? Nobody. It's a non-issue because, despite the faults of the web, the a

How many average people are walking around saying "I've quit the web! It's too slow!"? Nobody. It's a non-issue because, despite the faults of the web, the average person is still clicking on chum-boxes, sharing clickbait, and using Google services. Google isn't trying to save the web. They're trying to become the web. And they've already made their money, so what makes you think they care out of the goodness of their hearts?

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
>Google isn't trying to save the web. They're trying to become the web. This is 100% the argument that I try and explain when people say "I don't support Google, I use Brave" (or some other Chrome/Chromium browser over Firefox). It typically falls on deaf ears. I wonder how many people supporting the imo absolutely deserved "FUCK GOOGLE" mentality use Chrome to voice their thoughts?
afiori 7y ago
I know it is a rhetoric "nobody", but I did. I almost never use a browser on my phone if possible because the experience is always terrible.
droid404 7y ago
I quit sites all the time. Take trip advisor, great website, completely unusable if you are not on a high end desktop. Its a website ffs! I refuse to open pages unless I really need them. I find them using the duck since google is: to slow.
notatoad 7y ago
completely anecdotal, but my cousin did. she told me chrome (not the web, chrome, but she definitely meant the web in general) was "too confusing" and now only uses facebook and the mobile apps for a few other services.
SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
How many people use HN over other tech news aggregator sites specifically because it's so lightweight? I know I do.
tonyarkles 7y ago
You're right in a sense, but I have changed which local/regional/national news sources I use. In Canada, the Postmedia group of companies have made it almost impossible to actually read the news. I'm actually ok with them having ads, but they have ads that cause the page to scroll/shift while I'm trying to read, and it seems to be random. It might teleport me further into the article, or earlier. And trying to scroll to where I was causes further ad loads that shift the page again. Totally unusable. The CBC though has none of that junk. If it continues frustrating people this much, it'll potentially shift the political discourse left (the CBC seems to have a left-leaning bias)
kllrnohj 7y ago
> How many average people are walking around saying "I've quit the web! It's too slow!"? Nobody. Everyone did. It's why web apps are dead & buried, and native apps rule the world. Nobody talks about cool web experiences anymore. It's why we're all talking about the experience of viewing a search result instead of the experience of browsing the web. Entire areas that started exclusively on the web are now dominated by native apps, like social. The web only exists for long-tail, rarely used content. That's the actual area it occupies now. Google, with AMP, are optimizing for the usage the web has left. It's a realistic approach to the web.
- ravenstine 7y ago
  Show me the numbers. Everyone just spouts this rhetoric about the web being "dead" but where's the evidence? Please show me evidence. If people are still using The Google, then I doubt the web is "dead".
chiefalchemist 7y ago
Quit the web? Non issue. Have become highly annoyed the sites that load slow or not at all? That's pretty much eveyone. It's foolish - and naive - to dismiss user experience.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago

>Google isn't trying to save the web. They're trying to become the web. This is 100% the argument that I try and explain when people say "I don't support Google, I use Brave" (or some other Chrome/Chromium browser over Firefox). It typically falls on deaf ears. I wonder how many people supporting the imo absolutely deserved "FUCK GOOGLE" mentality use Chrome to voice their thoughts?

afiori 7y ago

I know it is a rhetoric "nobody", but I did. I almost never use a browser on my phone if possible because the experience is always terrible.

droid404 7y ago

I quit sites all the time. Take trip advisor, great website, completely unusable if you are not on a high end desktop. Its a website ffs! I refuse to open pages unless I really need them. I find them using the duck since google is: to slow.

notatoad 7y ago

completely anecdotal, but my cousin did. she told me chrome (not the web, chrome, but she definitely meant the web in general) was "too confusing" and now only uses facebook and the mobile apps for a few other services.

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago

How many people use HN over other tech news aggregator sites specifically because it's so lightweight? I know I do.

tonyarkles 7y ago

You're right in a sense, but I have changed which local/regional/national news sources I use. In Canada, the Postmedia group of companies have made it almost impossible to actually read the news. I'm actually ok with them having ads, but they have ads that cause the page to scroll/shift while I'm trying to read, and it seems to be random. It might teleport me further into the article, or earlier. And trying to scroll to where I was causes further ad loads that shift the page again. Totally unusable. The CBC though has none of that junk. If it continues frustrating people this much, it'll potentially shift the political discourse left (the CBC seems to have a left-leaning bias)

kllrnohj 7y ago

> How many average people are walking around saying "I've quit the web! It's too slow!"? Nobody. Everyone did. It's why web apps are dead & buried, and native apps rule the world. Nobody talks about cool web experiences anymore. It's why we're all talking about the experience of viewing a search result instead of the experience of browsing the web. Entire areas that started exclusively on the web are now dominated by native apps, like social. The web only exists for long-tail, rarely used content. That's the actual area it occupies now. Google, with AMP, are optimizing for the usage the web has left. It's a realistic approach to the web.

ravenstine 7y ago
Show me the numbers. Everyone just spouts this rhetoric about the web being "dead" but where's the evidence? Please show me evidence. If people are still using The Google, then I doubt the web is "dead".

chiefalchemist 7y ago

Quit the web? Non issue. Have become highly annoyed the sites that load slow or not at all? That's pretty much eveyone. It's foolish - and naive - to dismiss user experience.